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Post by brianac on Jul 30, 2019 20:07:01 GMT
His opponents will no doubt claim this as proof he is a Sith Lord. The 'h' in Sith would seem to be too far too the right. Much like Boris's rhetoric. ROFL Brian
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 4, 2019 10:42:35 GMT
"Indeed, to the best of my recollection, no leading figure in the leave campaign put forward no deal as being what voting leave would be likely to mean. Rather, they disparaged any such warnings from remainers. Yet now, with quite extraordinary dishonesty, they claim that the very existence of those warnings is proof that it was an outcome people voted for. The ‘logic’, if we can grace it with that term, is that since it was warned of, but people still voted to leave, that means that they believed those warnings and decided to vote to leave anyway and in so doing endorsed the outcome. Dishonest claims
There is a similar dishonesty in related claims, such as that because MPs voted to trigger Article 50, and because that means that if there is no deal Britain leaves without a deal, then ‘therefore’ MPs voted for no deal. But, of course, for better or for worse, they voted for it in order to begin the process of securing a deal. No deal may be a possible outcome, but so too would revoking Article 50 notification. If MPs can be said to have voted for no deal by voting for Article 50 then, by the same token, they can be said to have voted for having the subsequent option to revoke. There is no logic to any of this except that it demonstrates the sheer desperation of the Brexiters to pretend to have the democratic mandate for no deal that they know they lack. That, of course, is also not new. The repeated use of ‘the 17.4 million’ as a sledgehammer figure - and the untrue claim that the referendum was the biggest democratic exercise in history - to disguise the wafer-thin margin of victory are obvious examples. But what they are now doing traduces those very voters, for, on the basis of Google searches of the term, no one was giving any thought to no deal in 2016. " Well worth reading chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/
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Post by dan1 on Aug 8, 2019 9:15:16 GMT
Here's one for you constitutional experts that I can't seem to answer from a quick Google: Firstly, I'm not interested in the rights/wrongs of brexit, no-deal, revoking article 50 or whatever, just from a constitutional perspective.... what would happen if the Queen dies following a successful vote of no confidence/calling of a general election but before a new Monarch is crowned? p.s. I suspect I'm off to somewhere deeply unpleasant for that comment
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Post by bg on Aug 8, 2019 9:59:10 GMT
Here's one for you constitutional experts that I can't seem to answer from a quick Google: Firstly, I'm not interested in the rights/wrongs of brexit, no-deal, revoking article 50 or whatever, just from a constitutional perspective.... what would happen if the Queen dies following a successful vote of no confidence/calling of a general election but before a new Monarch is crowned? p.s. I suspect I'm off to somewhere deeply unpleasant for that comment I'm no constitutional expert but my understanding is that Charles becomes King Charles the second his mother dies. The timing of his official coronation (which is likely to be several months later) is not relevant.
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Post by r00lish67 on Aug 8, 2019 10:05:35 GMT
Here's one for you constitutional experts that I can't seem to answer from a quick Google: Firstly, I'm not interested in the rights/wrongs of brexit, no-deal, revoking article 50 or whatever, just from a constitutional perspective.... what would happen if the Queen dies following a successful vote of no confidence/calling of a general election but before a new Monarch is crowned? p.s. I suspect I'm off to somewhere deeply unpleasant for that comment I'm no constitutional expert but my understanding is that Charles becomes King Charles the second his mother dies. The timing of his official coronation (which is likely to be several months later) is not relevant. It'd also probably generate some truly bizarre conspiracy theories about the deep state assassinating her for their 'Remoaner' purposes, especially if Charles was to then intervene as King. Yeah, let's really hope that doesn't happen.
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Post by IFISAcava on Aug 8, 2019 11:25:06 GMT
Here's one for you constitutional experts that I can't seem to answer from a quick Google: Firstly, I'm not interested in the rights/wrongs of brexit, no-deal, revoking article 50 or whatever, just from a constitutional perspective.... what would happen if the Queen dies following a successful vote of no confidence/calling of a general election but before a new Monarch is crowned? p.s. I suspect I'm off to somewhere deeply unpleasant for that comment "The queen is dead; long live the king!"
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 8, 2019 19:43:22 GMT
Corbyn has the power to get the Brexit he has always wanted by insisting on leading any minority administration resulting from a no-confidence success. By wrecking the chance of consensus, he can allow the Oct 31st date to elapse, blame the Tories for their "Tory Brexit" and hope to win the ensuing election as waves of crisis hits the country.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 9, 2019 9:57:08 GMT
Is anyone reading along here actually in favour of Brexit anymore?
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Post by r00lish67 on Aug 9, 2019 10:21:37 GMT
Is anyone reading along here actually in favour of Brexit anymore? I think we're mostly at the Graham Norton stage now.. "Even though at this point everyone knows it's a bad idea...I do think there's something very British about it...Well, I said I was hungry enough to eat my own foot, so I am going...."
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Post by travolta on Aug 9, 2019 10:53:24 GMT
Many years ago I voted against joining a thing called the Common Market, as I was bright and well travelled enough to appreciate the disadvantages of limiting our markets to a Europe who would still want to trade with us anyway as they were desperate for our support. We are still in this position and despite your refusal to see this, a majority did too. Look forward , rather than clinging to what you think you know.
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Post by IFISAcava on Aug 9, 2019 11:22:00 GMT
Many years ago I voted against joining a thing called the Common Market, as I was bright and well travelled enough to appreciate the disadvantages of limiting our markets to a Europe who would still want to trade with us anyway as they were desperate for our support. We are still in this position and despite your refusal to see this, a majority did too. Look forward , rather than clinging to what you think you know. A majority did in 2016, but pretty clear that a majority don't now, not that they'll be given the courtesy of being consulted again now that the details are known. And even clearer that a majority didn't and still don't support a no deal Brexit, as that as not what was promised by Leave. It's also funny how belonging to the EU only stops the UK from trading with other countries, whereas e.g. Germany seems to be able to do it very well.
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Post by travolta on Aug 9, 2019 15:23:58 GMT
Clear as mud. You must be listening to the BBC again. Shall we kick off another bout of obstructionist Remainer angst or can't you just get over it? We can all pull out examples to boost our arguments but the bottom line is that you have been instructed by democratic means to leave and now we will.
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Post by cb25 on Aug 9, 2019 16:05:53 GMT
I'm still in favour of Brexit, but I don't think whether we leave/remain is the most interesting question right now. Rather it's - what will the political landscape be in a year/two? I'd almost (but only almost) welcome Remain winning because I think that could bring about a political party more to the right than the centrist Conservatives. In that sense I think Remainers should be careful what they wish for. It won't end up with everyone voting for the bland party, aka the Lib Dems.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 9, 2019 22:00:08 GMT
The situation could become very dangerous very quickly and I don't mean economic recession that might occur according to project fear and many of those in the establishment with entrenched positions determined to ignore the results of a free and fair vote. I mean something far worse than that. I mentioned in a similar thread at the start of the year that a coup in this country was absolutely possible. It was seen as so alien that I was accused of being ridiculous, reckless and even trolling. p2pindependentforum.com/post/308348/threadYet now, our mainstream media are actively mentioning the word: e.g. www.thesun.co.uk/news/9677292/labours-john-mcdonnell-threatens-tell-queen-were-taking-over-boris-johnson-loses-no-confidence/Meanwhile, other mainstream media are conditioning us to think that ignoring a free and fair vote is acceptable . e.g.: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/stop-catastrophe-no-deal-brexit-revoke-article-50Those ardent remainers who are concerned for their own short term economic wellbeing need to consider this: If you continue to attack democracy and you win, then we will not be a democractic nation anymore and yes that means we will join the ranks of other countries that are ruled without regard to democratic mandate. (Most of them aren't doing very well by the way apart from those that have vast natural resources such as oil). If you think that is so far fetched please consider this as an example. What if there is a confidence vote that Johnson loses. He stays in No10 and calls an election for Nov 1. Then Corbyn rocks up at the Palace in his taxi with 100,000 supporters already there clamoring to get over the gates. What then? Its not a joke. Its much more serious than whether or not we leave the eu. We've had peace in this country for so long people take it for granted. It is at grave risk right now.
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Post by IFISAcava on Aug 10, 2019 10:50:20 GMT
Clear as mud. You must be listening to the BBC again. Shall we kick off another bout of obstructionist Remainer angst or can't you just get over it? We can all pull out examples to boost our arguments but the bottom line is that you have been instructed by democratic means to leave and now we will. Personally speaking my angst is no longer about Brexit (I'm resigned to it) or democracy (that's now been well broken) - my angst is that when we get a no deal Brexit not a single Brexiteer will take responsibility for what ensues and instead will blame everyone else including remainers, the EU, non-believers, deep state, elites, etc etc. Just own it when it happens.
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