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Post by registerme on Sept 19, 2019 21:08:05 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood.
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Post by martin44 on Sept 19, 2019 21:41:13 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood. Quite right, why cant these past politicians keep their mouths shut and just enjoy their privileged retirement, there's obviously not enough room under the rock for both blair and cameron.
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Post by starfished on Sept 19, 2019 22:17:06 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood. Given the permanent damage the referendum has done to the country plus his personal relationship with Boris, his chances were always very low... He has a book to sell which has taken him forever, to (not) write. Who knows if even the conservative party will exist after this mess. Who would nominate him?
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Post by registerme on Sept 19, 2019 23:48:42 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood. Given the permanent damage the referendum has done to the country plus his personal relationship with Boris, his chances were always very low... He has a book to sell which has taken him forever, to (not) write. Who knows if even the conservative party will exist after this mess. Who would nominate him? I was never more than a very lukewarm supporter of Cameron, and even then mainly because he was better than Ed or Vince and the policies their parties espoused. But that (my) view of him went out the window when he called the referendum and then did a cowardly bunk. Oh for the lack of alternatives etc. I remain (ahhemm) in "least bad mode", which, for now, will see me vote LibDem next election even if for no other reason that to kick the Tories and Labour upside the head. More likely to flick them in the ear though. Still, Eton is a school so there's always that .
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Post by registerme on Sept 19, 2019 23:49:06 GMT
Ooops I did a bad word. Sorry .
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Post by propman on Sept 20, 2019 9:13:04 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood. Quite right, why cant these past politicians keep their mouths shut and just enjoy their privileged retirement, there's obviously not enough room under the rock for both blair and cameron. The reason is tyhat politicians make their money after they retire from politics. They need to stay "names" to appeal to the after dinner circuit.
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Post by jonno on Sept 20, 2019 9:27:13 GMT
Faiza Shaheen, prospective parliamentary candidate for Labour, getting herself into the news with her comment about Boris Erm........ wrong tw*t I'm afraid. She was referring to Cameron.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 20, 2019 9:34:15 GMT
Faiza Shaheen, prospective parliamentary candidate for Labour, getting herself into the news with her comment about Boris Erm........ wrong tw*t I'm afraid. She was referring to Cameron. And clearly quoting Danny Dire. Whoever he is.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 20, 2019 9:39:00 GMT
Interesting discussions with the 'experts' on Sky last night, regarding the recent comments made by Junker regarding a deal.
So BJ and EU tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept. The EU then say we are fed up with the delays and there can be no more extensions past 31st October. BJ puts the deal to HOC, which would leave the remainers in a difficult position.
Remain is no longer an option, you can either support the deal or risk haveing no deal.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 20, 2019 9:41:13 GMT
Well I guess Cameron has nixed his chance of a knighthood. Quite right, why cant these past politicians keep their mouths shut and just enjoy their privileged retirement, Is it correct that the PM gets a pension for life equivalent to half their salary, even if they have only been in office for one day?
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Post by agent69 on Sept 20, 2019 9:44:11 GMT
Only because you don't appear to be able to answer a simple question (and you're the one moaning about a lack of rational debate).
When I looked in the dictionary it said that defy the law means to refuse to obey the law (which is the same as breaking it). So if the PM has defied the law, which is the law in question that he has broken.
Selectively quoting my post, I've added it back in Bit in bold above: No, it's not the same Ok
So you're not interested in justifying your previous posts, you just keep repeating that I am wrong, without any attempt to explain why. Time to move on
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Post by IFISAcava on Sept 20, 2019 9:48:36 GMT
Interesting discussions with the 'experts' on Sky last night, regarding the recent comments made by Junker regarding a deal.
So BJ and EU tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept. The EU then say we are fed up with the delays and there can be no more extensions past 31st October. BJ puts the deal to HOC, which would leave the remainers in a difficult position.
Remain is no longer an option, you can either support the deal or risk haveing no deal.
EU could also allow a delay pending an election, in which a confirmatory referendum with remain as an option is policy of the next elected government. Remain is still in play (although unlikely).
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Post by r00lish67 on Sept 20, 2019 9:54:48 GMT
Interesting discussions with the 'experts' on Sky last night, regarding the recent comments made by Junker regarding a deal.
So BJ and EU tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept. The EU then say we are fed up with the delays and there can be no more extensions past 31st October. BJ puts the deal to HOC, which would leave the remainers in a difficult position.
Remain is no longer an option, you can either support the deal or risk haveing no deal.
"tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept" - if only they had thought of that before! Alternative arrangements, that's what we need! Seriously though, the problem with this (which is basically some form of NI-backstop) is mostly not remainers but those in Parliament who won't want to vote for it. Those include: 1) Ok, yes some ardent reject-everything remainers. 2) All of the ERG, as it will not be sufficiently pure. 3) All of Labour, because this will inevitably be a 'bad Tory Brexit deal'. So it will not go through IMV. It could only conceivably go through if it was a choice between that and No-Deal, but a) as you've probably noticed, No.10 have toned down their rhetoric dramatically about No-Deal recently, basically as they've realised it would be a 'bad thing' and political suicide. b) Besides, remember that requesting a Brexit extension is now the law in absence of a deal, so this would require some horrible further 4D chess by Cummings, which so far seems to have backfired spectacularly as either the courts and/or Parliament assert their rightful will. edit: IMV, the EU like to cart on someone now and again to threaten a lack of extension, but ultimately they're not going to be held responsible for it and also for damaging Ireland.
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Post by IFISAcava on Sept 20, 2019 9:57:09 GMT
Interesting discussions with the 'experts' on Sky last night, regarding the recent comments made by Junker regarding a deal.
So BJ and EU tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept. The EU then say we are fed up with the delays and there can be no more extensions past 31st October. BJ puts the deal to HOC, which would leave the remainers in a difficult position.
Remain is no longer an option, you can either support the deal or risk haveing no deal.
"tweak the backstop slightly to get it to a position that everyone can accept" - if only they had thought of that before! Alternative arrangements, that's what we need! Seriously though, the problem with this (which is basically some form of NI-backstop) is mostly not remainers but those in Parliament who won't want to vote for it. Those include: 1) Ok, yes some ardent reject-everything remainers. 2) All of the ERG, as it will not be sufficiently pure. 3) All of Labour, because this will inevitably be a 'bad Tory Brexit deal'. So it will not go through IMV. It could only conceivably go through if it was a choice between that and No-Deal, but a) as you've probably noticed, No.10 have toned down their rhetoric dramatically about No-Deal recently, basically as they've realised it would be a 'bad thing' and political suicide. b) Besides, remember that a Brexit extension is now the law in absence of a deal, so this would require some horrible further 4D chess by Cummings, which so far seems to have backfired spectacularly as either the courts and/or Parliament assert their rightful will. Asking for one is the law - we can't force the EU to agree! although they are unlikely to refuse if there is a plan (i.e. election or referendum)
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Post by cb25 on Sept 20, 2019 9:57:58 GMT
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