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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 26, 2021 21:05:33 GMT
High pressure underwater treatment , used in rig construction. Call in the Norwegians. The wily Arabs have them over a barrel of ignorance. There are huge dredgers that can suck up vast amounts of sediment from a river bed, but they are probably nowhere near the Suez canal, although they may be in transit as we speak.
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Post by ozboy on Mar 26, 2021 23:24:01 GMT
Way back in the day, in Oz, I was Chief Operator on one of those monsters. "Cutter/Suckers" they're called, with a floating pipeline that deposits the mix of water & sediment onto land for use in reclamation. They can indeed shift an awful lot of sand/sediment in a very short amount of time, and depends on the diamater of the pipe of course. Mine was 2', no fancy metric in those days, we used proper measurements.
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Post by agent69 on Mar 27, 2021 10:21:02 GMT
High pressure underwater treatment , used in rig construction. Call in the Norwegians. The wily Arabs have them over a barrel of ignorance. Better still, call in the Dutch (https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/smit-salvage-assists-with-ever-given-refloating-effort-in-suez-canal/2-1-986953)
I believe these are the people that refloated the Costa Concordia, the cruise liner that ran aground on some rocks when the captain sailed too close to the shore so his girlfriend could get a better look at the coastline. Said captain then ignored the first rule of sailing (the captain goes down with his ship) and was the first to leg it into a life raft.
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Post by travolta on Mar 27, 2021 16:13:17 GMT
I wonder who pays....
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Post by iRobot on Mar 27, 2021 16:34:15 GMT
Ultimately? Consumers, I suspect ... Insurance Claim leads to increases in: Insurance Premia > Freight Costs > Costs of Goods to Wholesalers > Costs of Goods to Retailers > Purchase Price to Consumers.
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Post by registerme on Mar 27, 2021 23:27:59 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Mar 28, 2021 9:30:41 GMT
Latest reports from BBC
On Saturday about 20,000 tonnes of sand was dredged, and 14 tugboats pulled and pushed the Ever Given in order to try to dislodge it. Although strong tides and winds complicated efforts to free the ship, the tugboats managed to move it 30 degrees in two directions.
I hope it was 30 deg in the right direction
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Post by keitha on Mar 28, 2021 11:52:36 GMT
Latest reports from BBC
On Saturday about 20,000 tonnes of sand was dredged, and 14 tugboats pulled and pushed the Ever Given in order to try to dislodge it. Although strong tides and winds complicated efforts to free the ship, the tugboats managed to move it 30 degrees in two directions.
I hope it was 30 deg in the right direction
Bizarre and unhelpful statement/reporting. Could mean a whole heap of things. - 30 degrees clockwise then 30 degrees anti-clockwise which if about the same point and in the same plane would negate each other. - if in different planes then it’d mean some sort of capsizing. Presumably it means something else. or the stern moved 30 degrees clockwise and the bow 30 degrees anticlockwise in which case its knackered I also read today a couple of salvage experts are saying if it spends much longer with all the weight of the bow and stern then the hull may suffer stress
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Post by adrianc on Mar 28, 2021 12:05:18 GMT
Latest reports from BBC
On Saturday about 20,000 tonnes of sand was dredged, and 14 tugboats pulled and pushed the Ever Given in order to try to dislodge it. Although strong tides and winds complicated efforts to free the ship, the tugboats managed to move it 30 degrees in two directions.
I hope it was 30 deg in the right direction
Bizarre and unhelpful statement/reporting. Could mean a whole heap of things. - 30 degrees clockwise then 30 degrees anti-clockwise which if about the same point and in the same plane would negate each other. - if in different planes then it’d mean some sort of capsizing. Presumably it means something else. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56547383It quotes a tweet that refers to having moved two inches... I wonder if they meant it's moved 30mm...? A reply to that tweet says 4m, and the rudder is now free. A quick google finds other outlets reporting 17m and 29m of movement, and that the engines have been restarted... So I think we can take a consensus view that it's moved a bit but not enough.
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Post by keitha on Mar 28, 2021 12:09:39 GMT
yes I'd read the stern was free and the propeller is able to rotate, but given the vessel is 80 metres wide then 30 metres "only" represents about 40% of the width. I really think that one more effort should free it but I'm not an expert, If I was i'd be out there and making money
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Post by adrianc on Mar 28, 2021 13:25:59 GMT
This helps to explain the problem, I think... A cross-section of the canal's theoretical depth (ignoring any silting which may make it shallower) with the boat superimposed on it. Doesn't take much to free the blunt end. The sharp end is a bit more stuck. Oh, and just to make things worse, it got wedged at high tide... Still, if the back end is indeed free, that hopefully removes the risk of the unsupported middle bending. OTOH, that depth appears to be theoretical - this seems to be what's actually there. Blue is shallow. White is deep.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 29, 2021 8:12:35 GMT
Got it pointing almost in the right direction now, apparently - albeit sat in the shallow bit. Stern now 102m from shore, instead of the original 4m. At the very least, they should be able to squeeze ships through again - but they're having another tug at high tide. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56559904(Embedded video is worth watching) Live position - www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 29, 2021 12:40:54 GMT
Blown back aground again reportedly
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Post by michaelc on Mar 29, 2021 12:55:41 GMT
Got it pointing almost in the right direction now, apparently - albeit sat in the shallow bit. Stern now 102m from shore, instead of the original 4m. At the very least, they should be able to squeeze ships through again - but they're having another tug at high tide. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56559904(Embedded video is worth watching) Live position - www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000CEO of the salvage company was quoted as saying: "The bow is still stuck rock-solid at the moment in the slightly sandy clay," . How can the bow be stuck "rock-solid" if the other end has moved ? Does he have an interest in this taking as long as possible? Reminds me of hmmm....administrators ! Also since we all clearly experts on everything here including salvage my two penneth is when the stern has floated out into the canal, why not attempt to pull the ship backwards which is the reverse of how it got stuck?
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Post by dave4 on Mar 29, 2021 12:57:29 GMT
FFminuits !!! have they not got an anchor. Still should be easier to move again now the silt has been moved.
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