keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 5, 2021 16:31:26 GMT
As part of getting the UK towards zero carbon giving everyone an allowance divided into 2 parts
Part 1 Property so each property has an allowance for heating etc say 15,000 KWH, Smart meters could then show how you are doing against annual allowance, green OK, Amber , Red you are gonna get a big bill. each extra person in the house get you a small increase in the allowance to cover extra washing etc.
if they use above the allowance they pay more per KWH if they use below they pay less per KWH
Part 2 personal to cover travel etc, every fill up of fossil fuel, flight etc is recorded so each person could have say 1 flight to Paris and 1 to Greece each year, but if they wanted to go to the US that would use 2 years allowance. In effect I would see private jets being banned.
I would have a food miles tariff to encourage people to eat local seasonal produce, not Kenyan Beans and strawberries at Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:02:29 GMT
carbon tax might be better
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Post by keitha on Jul 5, 2021 18:38:46 GMT
carbon tax might be better it would in effect be a carbon tax, Interesting fact in 2020 in the first 6 months 35% of UK electricity production came from Fossil Fuel ( gas coal oil ) yet all the big 6 suppliers and many of the others claim all their electricity is green. Obviously once it hits the grid neither you nor they can tell you if it's green or not. Further most of then despite saying all our electricity is green have a green tariff which is more expensive. Actually what might make a few people look at their consumption would be to have it on the Bill The average Household in your area uses X KWH per year your household uses Y KWH per year,on your current tariff this means you spend £nnn.nn more than your neighbours.
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Post by mfaxford on Jul 6, 2021 8:39:59 GMT
As part of getting the UK towards zero carbon giving everyone an allowance divided into 2 parts Part 1 Property so each property has an allowance for heating etc say 15,000 KWH, Smart meters could then show how you are doing against annual allowance, green OK, Amber , Red you are gonna get a big bill. each extra person in the house get you a small increase in the allowance to cover extra washing etc. if they use above the allowance they pay more per KWH if they use below they pay less per KWH Part 2 personal to cover travel etc, every fill up of fossil fuel, flight etc is recorded so each person could have say 1 flight to Paris and 1 to Greece each year, but if they wanted to go to the US that would use 2 years allowance. In effect I would see private jets being banned. I wonder how well that would really work - it either ends up being quite simplistic and doesn't cover actual needs or it becomes overly complex (different allowance based on the property and building materials). For instance when I lived in a 1 bed flat all my energy was electric (although some flats did still have gas for cooking only) and as there was no outside space I probably made more use of a tumble drier than I would have liked and hot water was based on an immersion heater - as it was rented I had little option to make things more efficient (newer hot water cylinder with timed immersion). Things that better reflect the true costs of products would be good - I like the idea of locally sourced produce and goods but the subsidies for "developing countries" and not taking into account the carbon generated and loss of environments often mask the true costs of the cheaper items from the other side of the globe.
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Post by ptr120 on Jul 6, 2021 8:48:33 GMT
I have to travel for work including several international flights per year. How (and why) should I be taxed?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 8:57:15 GMT
The reality is that international flights should be more expensive which is why you need a carbon tax that is international. Your flights would be pricier and as a result you either pay more or travel less.
Note how we tried to do this in a small way by charging a departure tax from Heathrow. No one else in Europe followed. Hence, it has to be an international carbon tax.
Why should you pay?
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Post by gramsky on Jul 6, 2021 9:01:59 GMT
It is all too late and anything we do is ineffectual anyway. We're all doomed!
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Post by adrianc on Jul 6, 2021 9:15:07 GMT
I have to travel for work including several international flights per year. How (and why) should I be taxed? The tax should be levied on the ticket. If the increased ticket price means that the business is unprofitable, hey-ho. Is there really nobody locally who could do any unavoidably site-based work? Perhaps if there's one thing the last year and a half's taught us, it's that site visits aren't actually always NEEDED? Note how we tried to do this in a small way by charging a departure tax from Heathrow. No one else in Europe followed. Hence, it has to be an international carbon tax. Even before then, the UK was a relatively high-tax environment for flights.  taxfoundation.org/aviation-taxes-europe-2019/Let's be honest, if you put British Exceptionalism aside, Heathrow is a daft choice for an global hub airport. There are far more sensible choices - both in terms of available space and in terms of centrality of location. Most UK domestic flights are simply ridiculously pointless - or, rather, would be if surface public transport was less broken.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 9:53:11 GMT
It is all too late and anything we do is ineffectual anyway. We're all doomed! so not a lover of Star Trek then?
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Post by keitha on Jul 6, 2021 11:29:54 GMT
Is there really nobody locally who could do any unavoidably site-based work? Perhaps if there's one thing the last year and a half's taught us, it's that site visits aren't actually always NEEDED?
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Post by keitha on Jul 6, 2021 11:43:25 GMT
Is there really nobody locally who could do any unavoidably site-based work? Perhaps if there's one thing the last year and a half's taught us, it's that site visits aren't actually always NEEDED? I remember a story about a company network throwing major issues on a Monday, eventually an engineer was dispatched from the UK head office, on arrival in the UAE he discovered the local team had been instructed by management to tidy up the untidy network cabinet . the whole lot had been reorganised so that port 1 of switch 1 went to Outlet 1, port 2 of switch 1 went to Outlet 2 and so on. The manager was really proud of his nice tidy network cabinets, and was astonished to find that it was the cause of the issue. Of course with people working from home IT techs are making far more "site" visits.
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Post by keitha on Jul 6, 2021 11:45:01 GMT
I have to travel for work including several international flights per year. How (and why) should I be taxed? Why because It's contributing to global warming.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 6, 2021 11:58:12 GMT
Is there really nobody locally who could do any unavoidably site-based work? Perhaps if there's one thing the last year and a half's taught us, it's that site visits aren't actually always NEEDED? I remember a story about a company network throwing major issues on a Monday, eventually an engineer was dispatched from the UK head office, on arrival in the UAE he discovered the local team had been instructed by management to tidy up the untidy network cabinet . the whole lot had been reorganised so that port 1 of switch 1 went to Outlet 1, port 2 of switch 1 went to Outlet 2 and so on. The manager was really proud of his nice tidy network cabinets, and was astonished to find that it was the cause of the issue. Thank you for the perfect demonstration of my point, no matter how unwitting it may have been. It's a safe bet that perfectly competent network engineers do exist within the UAE, so putting somebody on a 7,000 mile round-trip was utterly pointless and parochial.
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Post by keitha on Jul 6, 2021 12:12:43 GMT
I remember a story about a company network throwing major issues on a Monday, eventually an engineer was dispatched from the UK head office, on arrival in the UAE he discovered the local team had been instructed by management to tidy up the untidy network cabinet . the whole lot had been reorganised so that port 1 of switch 1 went to Outlet 1, port 2 of switch 1 went to Outlet 2 and so on. The manager was really proud of his nice tidy network cabinets, and was astonished to find that it was the cause of the issue. Thank you for the perfect demonstration of my point, no matter how unwitting it may have been. It's a safe bet that perfectly competent network engineers do exist within the UAE, so putting somebody on a 7,000 mile round-trip was utterly pointless and parochial. it's also a demonstration of why managers shouldn't interfere in areas they know nothing about ! But yes I agree far to many journeys are made that are totally unnecessary from a personal viewpoint I can remember the CEO demanding one of my colleagues make a 300 mile round trip to change the ink cartridges in his nearly new printer, as he was leaving having spent all of 5 minutes on site leaving he was told by the CEOs wife "you'll be back soon, I have a load more photos to print". He offered to show her how to do it the response was "we have an IT team to do stuff like that"
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Post by adrianc on Jul 6, 2021 12:14:24 GMT
it's also a demonstration of why managers shouldn't interfere in areas they know nothing about ! Indeed - but that's a rather separate point. That manager was an idiot, whether the IT team were a mile up the road or on the opposite side of the planet.
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