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Post by michaelc on Oct 8, 2021 15:01:38 GMT
A topic for those like me who are somewhat interested in politics and what better place to have the discussion than the most friendly UK forum on the net....
I'll add my opinion if we get one or two others.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 8, 2021 15:40:58 GMT
A topic for those like me who are somewhat interested in politics and what better place to have the discussion than the most friendly UK forum on the net.... I'll add my opinion if we get one or two others.You created the topic, why don't you go first?
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Oct 8, 2021 16:02:36 GMT
Of course she should have, there's an old fashioned term .................... Traitor.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 8, 2021 16:02:49 GMT
no idea who 'Begam' is, so difficult to express an opinion  |
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 8, 2021 16:44:44 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Oct 8, 2021 16:45:05 GMT
A topic for those like me who are somewhat interested in politics and what better place to have the discussion than the most friendly UK forum on the net.... I'll add my opinion if we get one or two others.You created the topic, why don't you go first? Hmm maybe you're right - I'll do it later....
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registerme
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Post by registerme on Oct 8, 2021 17:09:28 GMT
No. Our problem our responsibility.
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Post by james100 on Oct 8, 2021 17:55:07 GMT
Well what she did was obviously very, very wrong. At the same time she was "married" before the age of consent and has 3 dead kids...I have sympathy for her. None of that's relevant to your question though; given Bangladesh won't (apparently) give her citizenship even if she were once entitled to claim it, the withdrawal of her (only) citizenship leaves her stateless doesn't it? So that's not OK either. Had the Home Office engaged in a dialogue with Bangladesh or alternate future state before stripping her of British citizenship then this issue could maybe have been resolved in a less public and more diplomatic manner, as it they have made a (noisy) mess of it and I'm not sure how it can be sorted.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 8, 2021 18:15:52 GMT
my sympathy is with the victims and the families of the manchester bombings.begum praised the outrage whilst living the isis lifestyle and despite her young age she and her mates chose it and ran off to find the grass is not always greener. it would be a kick in the teeth to all those innocent victims to allow her back as if all is forgiven and set her up in a new house and shower her with benefits.my opinion is NO WAY should she be allowed back.saying sorry now just dont seem to cut it. i better stop now before i say things that will get me banned by the mods. stupid thread anyway.
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Post by gramsky on Oct 8, 2021 18:27:26 GMT
I would allow her back in the country on condition that she is convicted of having belonged to a terrorist organisation, but given a suspended prison sentence under strict condition that where she lives, here whereabouts, who she associates with etc is closely monitored to ensure that she does not get involved with terrorists and would be imprisoned if she did not comply. Also the media would be restricted from reporting on her to prevent her becoming a celebrity.
BUT in reality I know that would not be possible in our society and that the left-wing 'do-gooders' would take sympathy for her and the media would make her a celebrity to make money and she would finish up rich after having her book about her exploits published.
So the answer is NO!
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 8, 2021 18:40:22 GMT
You might have noticed the wink, as well as the juxtaposition of the thread title to the name
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 8, 2021 18:46:25 GMT
No. Our problem our responsibility. This. She is a UK citizen by virtue of having been born here. And bought up here. She is our problem, not one that we should simply wash our hands of and leave as another country's problem.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Oct 8, 2021 19:09:17 GMT
I'm surprised how many seem to agree with me that she should be let back in. She should be prosecuted for any crimes and if the government believes the law isn't tight enough to cover her alleged crimes then make some news laws.
I can't believe anyone would think it a good idea to invent a new punishment called "being stripped of UK citizenship". Our punishment of last resort is prison for a full life term. Those who believe she is super evil and should face the death penalty should campaign to bring back the death penalty for treason.
Also, if she was somehow smuggled into the country and then she gave herself up at a police station, where we would deport her to?
A second reason I don't like what has happened is that she was 15 when she left and got "married". If a 15 year old left home to meet some bloke over 18 for a sexual encounter, that bloke would be accused of being a pedophile and the 15 year old innocent of everything that happened. Having extreme views at that age and wanting to rebel against parents, run away etc is not that unusual albeit very extreme in her case.
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Post by james100 on Oct 8, 2021 19:15:04 GMT
I would allow her back in the country on condition that she is convicted of having belonged to a terrorist organisation, but given a suspended prison sentence under strict condition that where she lives, here whereabouts, who she associates with etc is closely monitored to ensure that she does not get involved with terrorists and would be imprisoned if she did not comply. Also the media would be restricted from reporting on her to prevent her becoming a celebrity. BUT in reality I know that would not be possible in our society and that the left-wing 'do-gooders' would take sympathy for her and the media would make her a celebrity to make money and she would finish up rich after having her book about her exploits published. So the answer is NO! The bit in bold...that would be my preferred solution. One of the (many) things I find uncomfortable about this issue is the high degree of publicity she has gained from the way this has been handled.
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Post by travolta on Oct 8, 2021 20:11:57 GMT
Yes, she should remain in Syria and she is no longer a UK subject .
To return her to the UK is a security risk that you should NOT under estimate.(Empathy is not an option here).
Should you consider it should be otherwise note that you will set a precident that is hard to ignore and others will follow.
Any relationships and offspring in the UK would pose a similar risk of repeating her ethos and example.
We are still at war with terrorism and it would be naive to ignore this.
Her family bear the duty of care,not the UK population.
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