keitha
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2021 16:50:08 GMT
I see we had lord Robathan saying that overweight people should eat less ( again ) Now I don't want to upset anyone here who struggles with weight issues,and I accept that some disabilities make it hard to either keep weight down or lose it.
He was instantly jumped on by "experts" saying the amount of food consumed has no effect ! Really to me science says Calories eaten 3000 Calories burned 2500 leads to weight gain.
"If the Government, including Lord Robathan, truly wants to help people to change their lifestyles, lose weight and improve their overall health, we must change the negative public perception of people who are overweight and ensure that everyone is treated with kindness, compassion, care, and respect."
I am amongst the group who put weight on during the pandemic, and my love of sweet stuff is making it hard to shift the excess, but it is coming off slowly.
In fact at 5ft 9 and a little over 12 stone my BMI was a little over 25 when it started. I'd already been told by the healthy living guy ( Nurse ? ) at GP that I needed to lose at least 7lb - which I found ironic cos he is much bigger than me. But I did find some of his advice made no sense, For example instead of 2 rounds of White bread as a sandwich he suggested I had 1 round of thick bread, to me that increased the amount of carbs and lowered the good stuff, but he's the expert- unfortunately the pandemic has stopped my visits and as yet no plans to resume. Another issue here is that it is very easy to get hold of ready meals take aways etc, but always the choice of veg is limited and fresh meat can be very expensive soI can see why people eat badly
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Post by agent69 on Oct 27, 2021 17:10:49 GMT
I see we had lord Robathan saying that overweight people should eat less ( again ) Now I don't want to upset anyone here who struggles with weight issues,and I accept that some disabilities make it hard to either keep weight down or lose it.
He was instantly jumped on by "experts" saying the amount of food consumed has no effect ! Really to me science says Calories eaten 3000 Calories burned 2500 leads to weight gain.
"If the Government, including Lord Robathan, truly wants to help people to change their lifestyles, lose weight and improve their overall health, we must change the negative public perception of people who are overweight and ensure that everyone is treated with kindness, compassion, care, and respect."
I am amongst the group who put weight on during the pandemic, and my love of sweet stuff is making it hard to shift the excess, but it is coming off slowly.
In fact at 5ft 9 and a little over 12 stone my BMI was a little over 25 when it started. I'd already been told by the healthy living guy ( Nurse ? ) at GP that I needed to lose at least 7lb - which I found ironic cos he is much bigger than me. But I did find some of his advice made no sense, For example instead of 2 rounds of White bread as a sandwich he suggested I had 1 round of thick bread, to me that increased the amount of carbs and lowered the good stuff, but he's the expert- unfortunately the pandemic has stopped my visits and as yet no plans to resume. Another issue here is that it is very easy to get hold of ready meals take aways etc, but always the choice of veg is limited and fresh meat can be very expensive soI can see why people eat badly
Eat less, loose weight. Simples
When concentration camps were liberated at the end of WW2, how many people still weighed 16st because they had a water retention problem?
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Post by adrianc on Oct 27, 2021 17:15:30 GMT
I see we had lord Robathan saying that overweight people should eat less ( again ) Now I don't want to upset anyone here who struggles with weight issues,and I accept that some disabilities make it hard to either keep weight down or lose it. He was instantly jumped on by "experts" saying the amount of food consumed has no effect ! Really to me science says Calories eaten 3000 Calories burned 2500 leads to weight gain. It's not quite as simple as "amount of food = amount of calories", of course. And I'm sure he knows it... But his job is to tell you, in case you don't. Let's say you've got 2 x 15mm thick slices. Would you have one 30mm thick? Or one 20-25mm thick? And, of course, you're only having half the butter... Shops sell what people buy. If their stocks of fresh F+V always go off, unsold, they aren't going to restock.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 17:51:58 GMT
It is a lot more complex than simply 'eat less food' or even 'eat fewer calories' if you care about long-term health.
Yeah, if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose bodyweight.
*HOWEVER* the type of tissue your body destroys is not always fat, especially if you are dieting without exercise. You could lose a lot of muscle as well, which lowers your metabolic rate and can actually be dangerous for the elderly, making them more likely to have falls etc
This muscle reduction is one of the reasons behind the 'regaining weight and then putting even more on after finishing a diet' issue. It is not a myth.
Thats why losing weight slowly over time, combined with exercise, especially resistance training to retain your muscle mass is so important for long term health.
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Post by wildlife2 on Oct 28, 2021 2:03:56 GMT
Maybe cutting out cream cakes could be the answer. Life is just so unfair sometimes.
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Post by mogish on Oct 28, 2021 7:15:44 GMT
I eat lots of salad..... washed down with copious amount of beer lol.
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Post by moonraker on Oct 28, 2021 7:24:34 GMT
For many years, routine health checks suggested that I was (just) obese, which caused disbelieving laughter from those who knew me. I can still (just/almost) get into trousers with 32" waists that I bought 40 years ago (such as those of the very natty light-grey suit that I've worn only about 20 times), when I was averaging 160 miles a week on the bike, which produced muscle mass that I still partially retain. (I confess to buying 34" trousers nowadays.) Curiously, I have put on weight but my last two BMI results suggested that I was no longer obese.
On the topic of nutritionists, two of my friends are taking courses to become qualified as such. I do check out a few basic facts with them, but am cautious of both. One spends thousands of pounds a year on a variety of cures/treatments for her son's autism. The other is an "agent" for organisations selling expensive "health" products, including concentrated Omega 3 that a year ago she recommended that two people with terminal cancer should take to ease their last months ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 8:01:07 GMT
Robathan has a degree in history (my previous comments about historians and my dislike of them being heavily involved in politics in the UK stands), a career in the military and an ability to put his foot in his mouth far too easily. See also Artic Convoy crews did not deserve medals...
I don't think I see nutritionist amongst his qualifications
The basic theory that less food in is less energy in is also true, but, life and slimming is about far more than that. Since anyone dieting is going to be just tinkering at the edges of 2000 calories it really does depend on life style, eating times, fat/sugar content etc etc. Over simplification is just that.
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Post by gramsky on Oct 28, 2021 8:25:19 GMT
I see we had lord Robathan saying that overweight people should eat less ( again ) Now I don't want to upset anyone here who struggles with weight issues,and I accept that some disabilities make it hard to either keep weight down or lose it.
He was instantly jumped on by "experts" saying the amount of food consumed has no effect ! Really to me science says Calories eaten 3000 Calories burned 2500 leads to weight gain.
"If the Government, including Lord Robathan, truly wants to help people to change their lifestyles, lose weight and improve their overall health, we must change the negative public perception of people who are overweight and ensure that everyone is treated with kindness, compassion, care, and respect."
I am amongst the group who put weight on during the pandemic, and my love of sweet stuff is making it hard to shift the excess, but it is coming off slowly.
In fact at 5ft 9 and a little over 12 stone my BMI was a little over 25 when it started. I'd already been told by the healthy living guy ( Nurse ? ) at GP that I needed to lose at least 7lb - which I found ironic cos he is much bigger than me. But I did find some of his advice made no sense, For example instead of 2 rounds of White bread as a sandwich he suggested I had 1 round of thick bread, to me that increased the amount of carbs and lowered the good stuff, but he's the expert- unfortunately the pandemic has stopped my visits and as yet no plans to resume. Another issue here is that it is very easy to get hold of ready meals take aways etc, but always the choice of veg is limited and fresh meat can be very expensive soI can see why people eat badly
Eat less, loose weight. Simples
When concentration camps were liberated at the end of WW2, how many people still weighed 16st because they had a water retention problem?
True, but then most of them were suffering from dysentery.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 28, 2021 8:35:15 GMT
For many years, routine health checks suggested that I was (just) obese, which caused disbelieving laughter from those who knew me. I can still (just/almost) get into trousers with 32" waists that I bought 40 years ago (such as those of the very natty light-grey suit that I've worn only about 20 times), when I was averaging 160 miles a week on the bike, which produced muscle mass that I still partially retain. (I confess to buying 34" trousers nowadays.) Curiously, I have put on weight but my last two BMI results suggested that I was no longer obese. Yes, heavy muscle certainly skews BMI - which is a very simple comparison of height and weight. I've long sat in the high 20s BMI. 1m90ish, 105kgish. About 10yrs ago, we travelled for a year and a half, and both seriously lost weight and gained fitness. Definitely not through eating or drinking less... Simply a lot more cycling and walking. We settled back down, got back to being more sedentary, and got tubbier again. About three years ago, we started to go to the gym regularly. I lost the thick end of 10kg in short order, then started to put it back on again... Muscle, not fat. Through lockdown, the gym closed, and has never really properly re-opened yet, largely due to staff shortages. My weight has remained constant... I doubt it's still muscle... Lawdy lawdy... Pyramid sales...
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Post by keitha on Oct 28, 2021 10:09:04 GMT
If you were to use the simple BMI calculator then many sports people would be obese.
Alun Wyn Jones who no-one would describe as fat ( well not to his face if you want to live ) is 122kg and 198cm tall that gives him a BMI of 3re
we need a slightly more sophisticated measure
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Post by adrianc on Oct 28, 2021 11:37:44 GMT
If you were to use the simple BMI calculator then many sports people would be obese. Alun Wyn Jones who no-one would describe as fat ( well not to his face if you want to live ) is 122kg and 198cm tall that gives him a BMI of 3re we need a slightly more sophisticated measure It's a perfectly good rule of thumb for the vast majority of us, though. ESPECIALLY those who, let's be honest, need to pay attention to it.
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Post by Mike on Oct 28, 2021 12:04:41 GMT
If you were to use the simple BMI calculator then many sports people would be obese. Alun Wyn Jones who no-one would describe as fat ( well not to his face if you want to live ) is 122kg and 198cm tall that gives him a BMI of 3re we need a slightly more sophisticated measure It's a perfectly good rule of thumb for the vast majority of us, though. ESPECIALLY those who, let's be honest, need to pay attention to it. Quite. And I would see rugby players having an excuse to be heavy (in order to do their job) rather than it being okay or a good thing. 122KG is heavy and though it may not all be fat, his heart no doubt is paying for it at the very least. I'm not sure if keitha was suggesting this, but I am dubious that would not be healthier were he to lose a dozen kilos or two.
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Post by keitha on Oct 28, 2021 12:59:40 GMT
Actually using Alun Wyn Jones as as example because as a Sportsman he doesn't look overweight. It is one of the issues with Rugby as a prime example that players are getting bigger, thus collisions are worse, far more impact from 2 players at 120kg colliding than 2 at 90kg.
I think many are storing up issues for later life, 120KG must cause more wear and tear on ankles knees and hips that my 75
Bobby Windsor at his playing weight was 93KG
It's almost the opposite of modelling for women I read recently of a size 4 woman who was told by an agency to lose weight.
IMHO being seriously underweight is probably as bad as being overweight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 13:33:25 GMT
A friend of mine has to stay with her anorexic daughter for the entire meal and 3 hours afterwards EVERY MEAL, tell me about it.
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