Greenwood2
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 26, 2021 21:00:09 GMT
Hard to prove but I think its true that in general boys prefer stereotypical boy's toys and girls dolls etc. I don't know why that is considered a bad thing to say these days. No doubt I'll be told that is due to being conditioned that way. Having a boy and a girl (and I accept anecdotal evidence proves nothing) I can see how the boy is fascinated with trains, planes, boats, helicopters and the girl is not at all interested in such things. Most nursery schools have women working there - I think that is a fact although haven't checked. Certainly I would trust my 4 year olds more with a "stranger" female than a male. Not least due to the fact women are far, far less likely to harm them than men (and why is that?) Of course in the two random samples I've just brought up there are exceptions. As was mentioned, brilliant engineers etc. In general I think we have a venn diagram with a large overlap but definite traits one way or the other. More fundamentally and almost never discussed, is how we as a race procreate. There really is some truth to the flowers and bees analogy. We definitely have a concept of "prettiness" or dare I say handsomeness however unfair (and thus inconvenient to some) that might be. Girls are suggested girls toy's and they are often bought for them, and boys are suggested and bought boy's toys. We bought our daughter both and she really liked the 'boys toys' as well as the girls toys, she is now an engineer.
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Post by james100 on Nov 26, 2021 23:21:33 GMT
Hard to prove but I think its true that in general boys prefer stereotypical boy's toys and girls prefer dolls etc. I don't know why that is considered a bad thing to say these days. No doubt I'll be told that is due to being conditioned that way. Having a boy and a girl (and I accept anecdotal evidence proves nothing) I can see how the boy is fascinated with trains, planes, boats, helicopters and the girl is not at all interested in such things. Most nursery schools have women working there - I think that is a fact although haven't checked. Certainly I would trust my 4 year olds more with a "stranger" female than a male. Not least due to the fact women are far, far less likely to harm them than men (and why is that?) Of course in the two random samples I've just brought up there are exceptions. As was mentioned, brilliant engineers etc. In general I think we have a venn diagram with a large overlap but definite traits one way or the other. More fundamentally and almost never discussed, is how we as a race procreate. There really is some truth to the flowers and bees analogy. We definitely have a concept of "prettiness" or dare I say handsomeness however unfair (and thus inconvenient to some) that might be. There has been a huge amount of research in the area of "gendered brains", toy preferences etc and I think you would find the work of Prof Gina Rippon fascinating. A couple of articles on her work here (Guardian) and here (Telegraph). It's a myth.
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Post by IFISAcava on Nov 27, 2021 0:34:55 GMT
Hard to prove but I think its true that in general boys prefer stereotypical boy's toys and girls prefer dolls etc. I don't know why that is considered a bad thing to say these days. No doubt I'll be told that is due to being conditioned that way. Having a boy and a girl (and I accept anecdotal evidence proves nothing) I can see how the boy is fascinated with trains, planes, boats, helicopters and the girl is not at all interested in such things. Most nursery schools have women working there - I think that is a fact although haven't checked. Certainly I would trust my 4 year olds more with a "stranger" female than a male. Not least due to the fact women are far, far less likely to harm them than men (and why is that?) Of course in the two random samples I've just brought up there are exceptions. As was mentioned, brilliant engineers etc. In general I think we have a venn diagram with a large overlap but definite traits one way or the other. More fundamentally and almost never discussed, is how we as a race procreate. There really is some truth to the flowers and bees analogy. We definitely have a concept of "prettiness" or dare I say handsomeness however unfair (and thus inconvenient to some) that might be. There has been a huge amount of research in the area of "gendered brains", toy preferences etc and I think you would find the work of Prof Gina Rippon fascinating. A couple of articles on her work here (Guardian) and here (Telegraph). It's a myth. As always, people want a binary yes /no answer to these questions. And scientists often aren't as neutral as they might be, for all sorts of reasons. It is blindingly obvious that there are biological differences between males and females, including in their brains, and also that there are huge social and developmental influences we exert differentially on males and females. Both are important, but people choose to emphasise one or the other depending on their beliefs, purpose, biases, personal needs etc.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2021 9:36:28 GMT
Nature. Nurture.
The perennial...
How you treat babies and small children determines how they grow up. Who knew...?
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Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2021 9:39:46 GMT
this MP is just a nut and needs to be taken for a little walk and a chat
You'd think the Tories, of all people, would understand women studying things like chemistry at uni, then going into leadership roles...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 10:13:40 GMT
Absolutely I see the denegration of women being a more Labour party thing. However, in general everyone is getting better, and little boys are finally growing up rather than getting caught at the 13 year old development stage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 10:15:20 GMT
Hard to prove but I think its true that in general boys prefer stereotypical boy's toys and girls prefer dolls etc. I don't know why that is considered a bad thing to say these days. No doubt I'll be told that is due to being conditioned that way. Having a boy and a girl (and I accept anecdotal evidence proves nothing) I can see how the boy is fascinated with trains, planes, boats, helicopters and the girl is not at all interested in such things. Most nursery schools have women working there - I think that is a fact although haven't checked. Certainly I would trust my 4 year olds more with a "stranger" female than a male. Not least due to the fact women are far, far less likely to harm them than men (and why is that?) Of course in the two random samples I've just brought up there are exceptions. As was mentioned, brilliant engineers etc. In general I think we have a venn diagram with a large overlap but definite traits one way or the other. More fundamentally and almost never discussed, is how we as a race procreate. There really is some truth to the flowers and bees analogy. We definitely have a concept of "prettiness" or dare I say handsomeness however unfair (and thus inconvenient to some) that might be. Yes hard to prove. Almost as if it were not true ;-)
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Post by benaj on Nov 27, 2021 10:18:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 10:18:25 GMT
Personally lets give them total equality
Oympic Games do away with Womens events Tennis Grandslams either women play 5 sets or they continue to play 3 of course they could have a single event open to both sexes
I'd hate to see your idea of Olympics and the boxing match where the Heavy weight is allowed to play with the Bantam weight. I may have mentioned "equal is not identical"
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Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2021 10:59:52 GMT
Personally lets give them total equality
Oympic Games do away with Womens events Tennis Grandslams either women play 5 sets or they continue to play 3 of course they could have a single event open to both sexes
I'd hate to see your idea of Olympics and the boxing match where the Heavy weight is allowed to play with the Bantam weight. I may have mentioned "equal is not identical" Outside of sport, of course... A job where physical brute force is required is a job where the correct equipment has not been provided.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 11:03:29 GMT
"I guess some Engineers will be great partners / wives / moms / fathers / husbands / dads for some"
why are you picking on us Engineers?
or did you mean engineers
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Post by benaj on Nov 27, 2021 11:30:52 GMT
It’s not a woman fault to choose her career, any career.
😅 I have nothing against engineers. However, “smart” women decide to leave the field after studying engineering. As a matter of fact, the number of women and men are nearly equal in law and medicine.
Emma Raducanu is a great role model IMHO. Fluent in languages, athletic and being “good at maths”.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2021 11:53:36 GMT
However, “smart” women decide to leave the field after studying engineering. Do you think that might be because the men they work with refuse to take them seriously and treat them as equals? I did a computer science degree in the late 80s, early 90s. My course was over half female. I don't think I've ever worked in any IT environment which even vaguely approached that. Women have been disproportionate among the highly competent, "you're far too good for this job" people I've worked with, while almost every utterly useless seat-warming bag-of-wind I've worked with has been male...
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Post by keitha on Nov 27, 2021 12:07:50 GMT
I'd hate to see your idea of Olympics and the boxing match where the Heavy weight is allowed to play with the Bantam weight. I may have mentioned "equal is not identical" Outside of sport, of course... A job where physical brute force is required is a job where the correct equipment has not been provided. Refuse collectors? Paramedics? Firefighters rescuing people from a burning building Actually made me laugh I can remember many years ago my girlfriend at the tiny was a skinny little slip of a thing, and one night She was getting pushed around by a bouncer in a club, She asked him nicely to Stop he didn't, she asked him again, He went to push her and ended up flat on his back he got up and said something along the lines of "i must've slipped" and went to push her again this time she threw him over her shoulder. What he didn't know was she was a judo black belt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 12:11:09 GMT
However, “smart” women decide to leave the field after studying engineering. Do you think that might be because the men they work with refuse to take them seriously and treat them as equals? I did a computer science degree in the late 80s, early 90s. My course was over half female. I don't think I've ever worked in any IT environment which even vaguely approached that. Women have been disproportionate among the highly competent, "you're far too good for this job" people I've worked with, while almost every utterly useless seat-warming bag-of-wind I've worked with has been male... Women have been disproportionate among the highly competent, "you're far too good for this job" people I've worked with, while almost every utterly useless seat-warming bag-of-wind I've worked with has been male...
AMEN
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