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Post by overthehill on May 1, 2024 10:58:33 GMT
Soviet Union made lots of 'contributions' in WW2 starting with invading Poland 16 days after Nazi Germany and carving it into pieces with the Nazis like a cake.
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2024 10:59:48 GMT
I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII would deny the Soviet contribution, which was immense, and came at great cost. But saying "the Soviet Union won the war" is as facile as saying "the US and UK won the war". I agree with you that strategic bombing was next to useless, and came at great cost, but have you got a source for your "40% of Britain's war effort" claim? I think the answer to that last question falls between "I made it up" and "mis-heard and mis-remembered". UK total military personnel during WW2 = 3.5m UK Bomber Command personnel during WW2 = 125,000 = 3.5% UK military deaths during WW2 = 383,000 UK Bomber Command deaths during WW2 - 55,000 = 14% UK total cost of WW2 = US$120bn = £30bn at wartime fixed exchange rate UK strategic air offensive cost of WW2 = £2.8bn = 9% But, yeh, there's no way any single one of the allies "won the war" alone, whatever Hollywood might like us to think.
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2024 11:07:02 GMT
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Post by k6 on May 1, 2024 11:38:49 GMT
The politicians of the western countries in the EU and Europe are all talk and no action, at least the ones who don't support russia. They truly haven't learnt anything since 1945. The US are getting progressively hacked off watching the pathetic response defending another European country, it's one of the reasons the latest aid package was held up for 6 months. They're doing next to nothing while the US and UK decide their fate. Do they actually think russia would stop at Ukraine. Don't get me started on neutral Switzerland, russia would definitely honour that. The UK is better off out of Europe.
It is very unlikely the Putin Regime even wants to take the whole of Ukraine let alone parts of Eastern Europe. This whole Putin = Stalin propaganda some people have swallowed is baseless in my opinion. Negotiations with Russia should start as soon as possible before more Ukrainians are slaughtered and their country is destroyed. It is a shame the Ukrainians cant turn back the clock and accept the offer that was negotiated in 2022. Ukraine and their western backers have completely lost this war against the Russians (which was totally predictable) - and when you lose a war the best option is to negotiate a settlement if you can *. * - which given that the Russian government does not seem to want to destroy Ukraine and continue slaughtering Ukrainians (many of who they consider Russian) is very possible in this situation. It is actually very likely putin will not settled just for some part of Ukraine. Negotiation with gangster government ? . . . you are comedian, but not funny one. You are clearly a soviet asset. Negotiations may start when putler Get the F out of Ukraine. Period
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2024 11:47:25 GMT
It is actually very likely putin will not settled just for some part of Ukraine. He didn't after 2014, after all.
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Post by k6 on May 1, 2024 12:58:16 GMT
It is actually very likely putin will not settled just for some part of Ukraine. He didn't after 2014, after all. He didn't what, sorry ? its 2024 and . . . well, we are where we are. Its to take control over country avoiding military intervention 1st then ... look Georgia, Tbilisi.
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Post by michaelc on May 1, 2024 13:26:33 GMT
Shhh angrysaveruk you're blowing our cover. Suggest you get back into the time machine to ask for instructions from our "soviet" handler in Lubyanka Sq.
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 1, 2024 13:34:00 GMT
It is very unlikely the Putin Regime even wants to take the whole of Ukraine let alone parts of Eastern Europe. This whole Putin = Stalin propaganda some people have swallowed is baseless in my opinion. Negotiations with Russia should start as soon as possible before more Ukrainians are slaughtered and their country is destroyed. It is a shame the Ukrainians cant turn back the clock and accept the offer that was negotiated in 2022. Ukraine and their western backers have completely lost this war against the Russians (which was totally predictable) - and when you lose a war the best option is to negotiate a settlement if you can *. * - which given that the Russian government does not seem to want to destroy Ukraine and continue slaughtering Ukrainians (many of who they consider Russian) is very possible in this situation. It is actually very likely putin will not settled just for some part of Ukraine. Negotiation with gangster government ? . . . you are comedian, but not funny one. You are clearly a soviet asset. Negotiations may start when putler Get the F out of Ukraine. Period Although I strongly advise against it since they will not be coming back and will probably have a horrible death in a muddy field somewhere, people who feel that Ukrainians should die instead of negotiating in a war they cannot win should be aware it is possible to volunteer to fight for Ukraine as an overseas national*. * - Which of course they will not do because they do not want to be blown to pieces by Russian Artillery and Thermobaric weapons, it is ok when someone else is dying and suffering of course..
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Post by agent69 on May 1, 2024 13:45:43 GMT
Although I strongly advise against it since they will not be coming back and will probably have a horrible death in a muddy field somewhere, people who feel that Ukrainians should die instead of negotiating in a war they cannot win should be aware they can personally volunteer to fight for Ukraine as an overseas national*. * - Which of course they will not do because they do not want to be blown to pieces by Russian Artillery and Thermobaric weapons, it is ok when someone else is dying and suffering of course.. As opposed to the majority of Russian fighters who didn't volunteer for anything
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Post by k6 on May 1, 2024 14:07:21 GMT
It is actually very likely putin will not settled just for some part of Ukraine. Negotiation with gangster government ? . . . you are comedian, but not funny one. You are clearly a soviet asset. Negotiations may start when putler Get the F out of Ukraine. Period Although I strongly advise against it since they will not be coming back and will probably have a horrible death in a muddy field somewhere, people who feel that Ukrainians should die instead of negotiating in a war they cannot win should be aware it is possible to volunteer to fight for Ukraine as an overseas national*. * - Which of course they will not do because they do not want to be blown to pieces by Russian Artillery and Thermobaric weapons, it is ok when someone else is dying and suffering of course.. Go somewhere else with your russian rhetoric. Pretending to care about Ukrainians just to subordinate to russia. . . pathetic
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2024 14:15:12 GMT
He didn't after 2014, after all. He didn't what, sorry ? its 2024 and . . . well, we are where we are. Its to take control over country avoiding military intervention 1st then ... look Georgia, Tbilisi. He didn't settle for "just some part of Ukraine" after the 2014 invasion and annexation of Crimea. Or, indeed, the "liberation" of Donbas and Luhansk. So, no, it's very unlikely he would have in 2022.
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Post by michaelc on May 1, 2024 15:24:38 GMT
Although I strongly advise against it since they will not be coming back and will probably have a horrible death in a muddy field somewhere, people who feel that Ukrainians should die instead of negotiating in a war they cannot win should be aware it is possible to volunteer to fight for Ukraine as an overseas national*. * - Which of course they will not do because they do not want to be blown to pieces by Russian Artillery and Thermobaric weapons, it is ok when someone else is dying and suffering of course.. Go somewhere else with your russian rhetoric. Pretending to care about Ukrainians just to subordinate to russia. . . pathetic You are clearly very passionate in your view. Maybe you have some personal reasons like I do. Have you thought about fighting there ? I think you can just go here and begin your journey ildu.com.ua/(and hopefully not end it).
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Post by michaelc on May 1, 2024 16:43:01 GMT
Meanwhile the "unbiased" UK gov funded and controlled state broadcaster does an explainer into why the Russians are displaying US/UK military kit they've captured. I don't recall them doing something similar when there were pictures coming out of Kyiv towards the start of the war showing all the Russian armour. I'm not denying there is quite a big difference given who invaded who but I'd rather read the unvarnished truth than the polished up one. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-68934337
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Post by captainconfident on May 1, 2024 18:24:01 GMT
Although I strongly advise against it since they will not be coming back and will probably have a horrible death in a muddy field somewhere, people who feel that Ukrainians should die instead of negotiating in a war they cannot win should be aware it is possible to volunteer to fight for Ukraine as an overseas national*. * - Which of course they will not do because they do not want to be blown to pieces by Russian Artillery and Thermobaric weapons, it is ok when someone else is dying and suffering of course.. Go somewhere else with your russian rhetoric. Pretending to care about Ukrainians just to subordinate to russia. . . pathetic Oi k6, get hip to the groove. Angry is not a Russian agent. He is simply a mirror site of the talking points of Youtube influencer Colonel Doubledown McWhackjob. A man who deleted all his Youtube posts from 2022 because they were so wildly wrong. But you can revel in the whole of his 2023 output. This link will provide you with everything you need to know and will provide you with a basic grounding in all of Angrys talking points. www.youtube.com/results?search_query=colonel+Douglas+macgregor+ukraine
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Post by michaelc on May 1, 2024 19:13:47 GMT
Go somewhere else with your russian rhetoric. Pretending to care about Ukrainians just to subordinate to russia. . . pathetic Oi k6 , get hip to the groove. Angry is not a Russian agent. He is simply a mirror site of the talking points of Youtube influencer Colonel Doubledown McWhackjob. A man who deleted all his Youtube posts from 2022 because they were so wildly wrong. But you can revel in the whole of his 2023 output. This link will provide you with everything you need to know and will provide you with a basic grounding in all of Angrys talking points. www.youtube.com/results?search_query=colonel+Douglas+macgregor+ukraineHave to admit that made me laugh. On a slightly more serious note, is it really true he deleted his posts from 2022?
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