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Post by michaelc on Apr 25, 2024 21:34:24 GMT
She'd have been quite easy on the eye a few years ago...
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Post by captainconfident on Apr 26, 2024 18:23:27 GMT
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 26, 2024 23:16:37 GMT
Nothing new to those really paying attention ... welcome to reality Abrams withdrawn from frontline as too vulnerable to drones ... 5 knocked out. Most of Challenger are crocked ... Leopards having taken significant losses though many recovered
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 27, 2024 14:35:17 GMT
An excellent independent summary of the situation in Ukraine.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 27, 2024 15:21:03 GMT
An excellent independent summary of the situation in Ukraine. You do like to pick your sources, don't you? Judge Andrew Napolitano's podcast. Napolitano is a Trump loyalist, who used one of his regular slots on Fox News (before he was sacked amongst sexual harrassment allegations) to claim that British Intelligence were bugging Trump Tower at Obama's request, argued the civil war was about taxes not slavery, that inter-racial marriage and same-sex marriage are indistinguishable (and, obvs, wrong), is a 9/11 denier. Meanwhile, Mearsheimer claimed in the early days of the first Gulf War that it'd be a walkover, has argued for a decade that the US is on a collision course for war with China, thought Ukraine should have kept its post-USSR nukes, and... <drum-roll> thought in 2014 that the annexation of Crimea etc was all the US's fault... Oh, and that Sweden and Finland joining NATO increases their threat from Russia, too. So, yeh. You're not straying far from finding stuff that merely supports your preconceptions, are you?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 27, 2024 15:28:32 GMT
An excellent independent summary of the situation in Ukraine. You do like to pick your sources, don't you? Judge Andrew Napolitano's podcast. Napolitano is a Trump loyalist, who used one of his regular slots on Fox News (before he was sacked amongst sexual harrassment allegations) to claim that British Intelligence were bugging Trump Tower at Obama's request, argued the civil war was about taxes not slavery, that inter-racial marriage and same-sex marriage are indistinguishable (and, obvs, wrong), is a 9/11 denier. Meanwhile, Mearsheimer claimed in the early days of the first Gulf War that it'd be a walkover, has argued for a decade that the US is on a collision course for war with China, thought Ukraine should have kept its post-USSR nukes, and... <drum-roll> thought in 2014 that the annexation of Crimea etc was all the US's fault... Oh, and that Sweden and Finland joining NATO increases their threat from Russia, too. So, yeh. You're not straying far from finding stuff that merely supports your preconceptions, are you? I cant comment on these allegations you are making against these highly respected individuals*. However it is pretty obvious to me you have given up trying to argue against people who disagree with your whole Ukraine narrative (which to me is indistinguishable from the government/MSM narrative) and decided to resort to personal attacks and smear tactics. * - One of whom is a Superior Court judge, Professor of Law at an Ivy League University, Gay Rights Activist and personal friend/confidant/advisor of President Donald Trump. And the other is widely considered to be one of the most influential thinkers on International Relations in the World and Professor at Chicago University.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 27, 2024 15:32:37 GMT
You do like to pick your sources, don't you? Judge Andrew Napolitano's podcast. Napolitano is a Trump loyalist, who used one of his regular slots on Fox News (before he was sacked amongst sexual harrassment allegations) to claim that British Intelligence were bugging Trump Tower at Obama's request, argued the civil war was about taxes not slavery, that inter-racial marriage and same-sex marriage are indistinguishable (and, obvs, wrong), is a 9/11 denier. Meanwhile, Mearsheimer claimed in the early days of the first Gulf War that it'd be a walkover, has argued for a decade that the US is on a collision course for war with China, thought Ukraine should have kept its post-USSR nukes, and... <drum-roll> thought in 2014 that the annexation of Crimea etc was all the US's fault... Oh, and that Sweden and Finland joining NATO increases their threat from Russia, too. So, yeh. You're not straying far from finding stuff that merely supports your preconceptions, are you? I cant comment on these allegations you are making against these highly respected individuals. They're all very well documented. Simple facts, in other words. www.thedailybeast.com/judge-andrew-napolitano-resurfaces-on-newsmax-after-fox-news-ouster-over-sexual-misconduct-claimswww.huffpost.com/entry/andrew-napolitano-fox-bus_n_788219www.jstor.org/stable/24483306I thought you "did your own research"? A very large part of that is validating the credibility of sources, y'know.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 27, 2024 18:58:48 GMT
An excellent independent summary of the situation in Ukraine. Dont think there is anything too irrational in that to be honest. You might not agree with his conclusions, particularly in relation to the motives of the Biden etc in some areas but it is a reasonable assessment that is supported by widespread evidence. Ukraine does have a manpower issue thats well known, it has ammunition shortages and it under severe pressure in multiple areas of the front.
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Post by registerme on Apr 27, 2024 20:20:09 GMT
Not directly Ukraine related, and at an hour twenty demanding of your time, but that's quite a panel.
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Post by overthehill on Apr 30, 2024 21:14:16 GMT
The politicians of the western countries in the EU and Europe are all talk and no action, at least the ones who don't support russia. They truly haven't learnt anything since 1945. The US are getting progressively hacked off watching the pathetic response defending another European country, it's one of the reasons the latest aid package was held up for 6 months. They're doing next to nothing while the US and UK decide their fate. Do they actually think russia would stop at Ukraine. Don't get me started on neutral Switzerland, russia would definitely honour that. The UK is better off out of Europe.
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 1, 2024 8:30:54 GMT
The politicians of the western countries in the EU and Europe are all talk and no action, at least the ones who don't support russia. They truly haven't learnt anything since 1945. The US are getting progressively hacked off watching the pathetic response defending another European country, it's one of the reasons the latest aid package was held up for 6 months. They're doing next to nothing while the US and UK decide their fate. Do they actually think russia would stop at Ukraine. Don't get me started on neutral Switzerland, russia would definitely honour that. The UK is better off out of Europe.
It is very unlikely the Putin Regime even wants to take the whole of Ukraine let alone parts of Eastern Europe. This whole Putin = Stalin propaganda some people have swallowed is baseless in my opinion. Negotiations with Russia should start as soon as possible before more Ukrainians are slaughtered and their country is destroyed. It is a shame the Ukrainians cant turn back the clock and accept the offer that was negotiated in 2022. Ukraine and their western backers have completely lost this war against the Russians (which was totally predictable) - and when you lose a war the best option is to negotiate a settlement if you can *. * - which given that the Russian government does not seem to want to destroy Ukraine and continue slaughtering Ukrainians (many of who they consider Russian) is very possible in this situation.
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Post by rscal on May 1, 2024 9:04:05 GMT
I was gonna say, angrysaveruk "which nation 'won' WW2?" I have to pinch myself each time it gets trotted out how Britain and America 'saved the world' as though the Soviets didn't do all the donkey work of killing Germans and getting killed. And when it comes to Germans ... 'Dresden' That's a term which now comes up in the historical reappraisal of what all went down over there in the 39-45 period. We know (or can look it up) that 40 percent of the entire British war effort was Bomber Command which tried to kill as many allied airmen as possible whilst believing it was doing good killing indiscriminately 10,000ft below. I have the greatest respect for the bravery of the British and American airmen whose leaders sent them out to do their dirty work. But area bombing was a war crime - just one not treated the same way because of whose side did it. (Just IMO, of course!)
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2024 9:48:12 GMT
It is a shame the Ukrainians cant turn back the clock and accept the offer that was negotiated in 2022. What "offer" was "negotiated" in 2022?
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Post by registerme on May 1, 2024 9:55:33 GMT
I don't think anybody who knows anything about WWII would deny the Soviet contribution, which was immense, and came at great cost. But saying "the Soviet Union won the war" is as facile as saying "the US and UK won the war".
I agree with you that strategic bombing was next to useless, and came at great cost, but have you got a source for your "40% of Britain's war effort" claim?
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 1, 2024 10:58:11 GMT
It is a shame the Ukrainians cant turn back the clock and accept the offer that was negotiated in 2022. What "offer" was "negotiated" in 2022? It is pretty well documented: www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/27/7453222/Of course you do not believe the whole Ukraine is fighting a Proxy War and believe the US involvement in Ukraine is because they are the good guys so will say this is all nonsense. At the moment there are two options on the table: 1) Ukraine enters negotiations now, accepts neutrality, bans Anti-Russian Banderite organisations and land concessions to Russia 2) Ukraine continues to be destroyed up to the point their military collapses and the US backed government flees the country - in this scenario the Russians would have to take control of the country which I do not think they want to do.* * - there is a third option which involves US entering a war with Russia after some of its NATO satellites send troops into Ukraine (who the Russians blow to pieces) and we all die in a nuclear war but thankfully this is not that likely to happen.
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