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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 17:59:25 GMT
Keith, I'm with you but I washup by hand
"10-12 litres of water per cycle far lower than most people use washing by by hand" is nonsense and is put out by dishwasher companies to excuse their products
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 18:16:28 GMT
I suppose another issue when money gets really tight is not being able to spend to save,
If you can only afford the 100G Jar of Coffee at £3 when the 200G at £4.50 is but one get 1 free then it means that you cant economise by bulk buying.
I actually think that had the Chancellor not given those on benefits the extra £20 in the first place he'd have got less grief than he does now its been taken back,and yes it was always clear to me that it was a temporary top up.
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Post by travolta on Mar 25, 2022 18:24:09 GMT
Credit card ,ignorance (wilful or other) and perception of 'lifestyle and influencers' via media is the most destructive force in the life of recent generations.
Eldest was an army officer for 6 years and advisor to his platoon in Irac /Afghanistan. The most pernicious blight was family back at home with access to credit cards . The squaddies were thousands of pounds in debt. Their families were bombarded with credit offers. One of his troop hung himself in the back of their saracen because he could see no way out of it and his family would get the £10,000 reimbursement .
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Post by mogish on Mar 25, 2022 18:30:21 GMT
It's easy to say use the car less. I've reduced annual mileage over the years, 4000 miles last year prob due to lockdown. However living rurally its impossible to not use the car. Our village gets a bus in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. Bus stop is a mile away up a fast b road with no pavement. Going to work is around 12 miles away but would take 2 buses to get there. We've managed to get our electric down to around 1.75 per day , Bobo is right, dishwasher and washing machine use needs to be used sensibly. Unfortunately heating oil we have no control over.... today I paid 1.04 p/l. It's the most I've ever paid for it but our hot water for dishes and shower is heated by oil boiler. People generally need to take a bit ownership in their lives and stop relying on government so much, I've always wondered why kids dont get taught budgeting at school.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 25, 2022 18:36:53 GMT
Dishwashers are not a good idea, they are environmentally dubious and a poor use of money and water, I would not install
10-12 litres of water per cycle far lower than most people use washing by by hand
In terms of car fuel consumption the issue is not really if you achieve 45 or 50 MPG, it is why are you using a car at all and how far are you driving with it? "oh but", "I need to use a car to [fill in BS here]" No you don't, there is no "need to" there are decisions that you want to avoid so you stick to your normal behaviour and everything flows from there
40 minutes to get to my partners by Car, 2 hours by train ( and a 3 mile hike one end a 2 mile the other ) , and nearly 3 hours by bus. No bus back after 6PM or train after 8pm, no service on a Sunday We share Plants etc for allotments I don't think bus companies would be happy if I loaded it up with several trays of plants.
The argument is that the very poor don't cook as they have energy poverty so need to buy pre-cooked meals, One Local foodbank is saying people now so hard up they can't afford to cook !
It's a question of priorities ! Opposite me are on benefits, they have takeaways delivered at least 3 nights a week. He gets through at least 2 24 packs of Budweiser a week.
For me the issue isn't those on benefits its those just above the cut off, an elderly friend of mine who gets a top up because of a low pension is getting more help from the Council with his rent and council tax as his "available" income is reduced by increased fuel prices, yet another who is literally a few pounds better off at the start gets nothing as he is over the limit, meaning that the one on benefits is actually better off. The Issue is that its a binary entitled / not entitled and entitled opens up a load of other help. it is a standing joke round here that you can tell the houses where no-one works they all have the big TVs and a full SKY package. I never understand this, I thought you only get unemployment for a limited period and it stops if you refuse work. How do people get around this? It obviously is a sustainable lifestyle for some. I know some people literally say what a terrible employee they would be to avoid being offered a job, but can they get away with this indefinitely? Years ago I did hear one guy (who had a decent job) saying he jumped out of his girl friend's window when someone turned up to check on her, they had two children and lived together although she was claiming to be a single parent and claiming all sorts of benefits, hence the hasty exit.
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Post by james100 on Mar 25, 2022 19:08:03 GMT
I never understand this, I thought you only get unemployment for a limited period and it stops if you refuse work. How do people get around this? It obviously is a sustainable lifestyle for some. I know some people literally say what a terrible employee they would be to avoid being offered a job, but can they get away with this indefinitely? Years ago I did hear one guy (who had a decent job) saying he jumped out of his girl friend's window when someone turned up to check on her, they had two children and lived together although she was claiming to be a single parent and claiming all sorts of benefits, hence the hasty exit. Some people will do any thing to avoid work. Not in UK but I once had an employee who was so desperate to go on sick leave she threw herself into a glass door. Vaguely related, how people are allowed to stay living in a council house when they no longer qualify to get a council house, whilst loads of people do qualify to get a council house but they can't get a council house because there aren't enough to go around. Makes no sense to me.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 25, 2022 19:08:22 GMT
It doesn't help when you get airheads like Lisa Nandy MP fibbing on Question Time last night that many can't even afford the microwave bill. Does anyone believe that? You can run a UK microwave on full power for over an hour for less than the cost of a single cigarette. A typical usage would cost less than 5p. Didn't stop her being almost incandescent with rage for these 'poverty struck' people.
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 19:14:21 GMT
I don't understand either, but it seems to be a lifestyle choice for some. I get a feeling some know how to play the system to maximise what they get, and it seems they know how to get round the £20K limit
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 19:19:37 GMT
It doesn't help when you get airheads like Lisa Nandy MP fibbing on Question Time last night that many can't even afford the microwave bill. Does anyone believe that? You can run a UK microwave on full power for over an hour for less than the cost of a single cigarette. A typical usage would cost less than 5p. Didn't stop her being almost incandescent with rage for these 'poverty struck' people. My Microwave at 800Watts uses almost twice that amount of electricity, and "cigarettes are the only way I can stop my hunger pains" I never knew how my Ex and her partner could afford to smoke 20 plus a day each, at current prices is £20 or £600 a month which would be at least 3/4 of what a couple would get on UC. Mind you they also got away with telling BT they were new tenants multiple times and flicking bills between her name and his ( he went by at least 3 surnames )
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 25, 2022 19:31:08 GMT
It doesn't help when you get airheads like Lisa Nandy MP fibbing on Question Time last night that many can't even afford the microwave bill. Does anyone believe that? You can run a UK microwave on full power for over an hour for less than the cost of a single cigarette. A typical usage would cost less than 5p. Didn't stop her being almost incandescent with rage for these 'poverty struck' people. My Microwave at 800Watts uses almost twice that amount of electricity, and "cigarettes are the only way I can stop my hunger pains" Twice what amount of electricity?
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 19:32:29 GMT
Its rated at 800Watts but uses about 1600Watts
Is going shortly, only 4 years old but for some reason the Paint under the plate has bubbled in a couple of places and is now rusting.
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 19:46:23 GMT
It doesn't help when you get airheads like Lisa Nandy MP fibbing on Question Time last night that many can't even afford the microwave bill. Does anyone believe that? You can run a UK microwave on full power for over an hour for less than the cost of a single cigarette. A typical usage would cost less than 5p. Didn't stop her being almost incandescent with rage for these 'poverty struck' people. Its priorities again, they cant afford the electric, probably because in some cases they ran up big bills and are now on prepayment meters at silly amounts per kWh. I'm told our local Weatherspoon's is the "meeting area" where people sell the food they get from the foodbank, one thing I would stop and it would need a system is people using multiple foodbanks every week.
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 25, 2022 19:47:06 GMT
Its rated at 800Watts but uses about 1600Watts Is going shortly, only 4 years old but for some reason the Paint under the plate has bubbled in a couple of places and is now rusting. Still costs less than 10p a throw to heat up any meal, I would wager. It costs around the same to run the TV for an hour. When I see these desperate people beginning to dispense with their 55" TVs, I will have some sympathy for the cost of heating food.
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Post by keitha on Mar 25, 2022 21:39:05 GMT
3 Minutes to heat beans for beans on toast
1.6kWh = 1600 W X ( 3/60) = 80 watts = 1/12.5 of a unit so even at 50P unit that's still only 4P
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 25, 2022 21:45:48 GMT
3 Minutes to heat beans for beans on toast 1.6kWh = 1600 W X ( 3/60) = 80 watts = 1/12.5 of a unit so even at 50P unit that's still only 4P I've gotta ask: 1. How many beans are you heating up 2. How hot do you need them. Still, you need to factor in the wattage from your toaster if you want to count the cooking cost of your beans on toast. Unless you are 'toasting' your bread in the microwave at the same time: In which case you would be doing it 'all wrong'.
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