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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2022 12:34:36 GMT
You're picking the cheapest example possible in a pathetic attempt to defeat the argument. Well, given that I've not looked closely enough at their TVs to measure them, let alone make a note of the model numbers... Yes. It's very well documented that there are. www.jrf.org.uk/report/uk-poverty-2022Do you really believe there aren't?
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 26, 2022 12:47:18 GMT
I'll read it later, but I'm not expecting to see a single case of anyone bankrupted by using their microwave, despite it being "very well documented".
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Post by michaelc on Mar 26, 2022 12:54:17 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 26, 2022 13:32:25 GMT
I'll read it later, but I'm not expecting to see a single case of anyone bankrupted by using their microwave, despite it being "very well documented". ...yep, not a mention. So I return to my starting position that Lisa Nandy does nothing to advance the campaign against poverty by overstating the problem and fibbing about it. Like the boy who cried wolf, it just turns people off.
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Post by mogish on Mar 26, 2022 16:23:01 GMT
The root cause is peoples inability to prioritise. Im sure im not being unfair saying the high benefit recieving areas are the ones with sky dishes and mcdonald wrappers in the street. I thought there was a time limit for claiming benefits, ie how long you can actually claim.
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Post by travolta on Mar 26, 2022 16:34:10 GMT
Not poverty as I recognise it , no. The UK is full of safety nets , compared to the unfettered poverty of much of the rest of the world.
There is a lot poor management of resources, mostly due to intolerance,ignorance, passive resistance and general willfulness not to accept responsibilty for actions.
You can give two different people of similar circumstances £1000 pounds and one of them will manage well,the other will not.
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2022 17:07:00 GMT
There was a TV program where families who said they wanted to "progress" eg start a business etc were given the equivalent of 2 years benefits to come off benefits and start the business etc.
I remember one spending £60 the first night on a take away as a treat for the kids and the next day down the shoe shop and new £150 Nike trainers.
Another bought Bouncy Castles and a Van, despite not having a driving licence.
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2022 17:33:34 GMT
some time ago there was an investigation in Merthyr as to why one GP surgery had huge numbers of permanently disabled patients from memory it was something like 60% of adults.
It turned out the GP concerned would automatically give patients with back pain a "permanent disability" designation opening up a plethora of benefits.
interestingly ( or not ) the benefits cap has a lot of exemptions and I believe they explain how many on benefits can have a lifestyle better than those working ;-
You’re not affected by the cap if you or your partner:
get Working Tax Credit (even if the amount you get is £0) get Universal Credit because of a disability or health condition that stops you from working (this is called ‘limited capability for work and work-related activity’) get Universal Credit because you care for someone with a disability get Universal Credit and you and your partner earn £617 or more a month combined, after tax and National Insurance contributions
You’re also not affected by the cap if you, your partner or any children under 18 living with you gets:
Adult Disability Payment (ADP) Armed Forces Compensation Scheme Armed Forces Independence Payment Attendance Allowance Carer’s Allowance Child Disability Payment Disability Living Allowance (DLA) Employment and Support Allowance (if you get the support component) Guardian’s Allowance Industrial Injuries Benefits (and equivalent payments as part of a War Disablement Pension or the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme) Personal Independence Payment (PIP) War pensions War Widow’s or War Widower’s Pension
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 17:40:50 GMT
So not a cap, more a burst durex
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2022 20:40:51 GMT
Just come off the phone to a friend of mine who was on Benefits and he says that 60 hours work a week gets him £10 a week more than he got on benefits, so as he sees it he's working for< 20p an hour.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 26, 2022 20:57:57 GMT
I think we also have to understand that there are people who are not that smart or do not understand what they are entitled to and are living in poverty. Then there are some who are working the system, probably doing bad things to get lots of benefits and living the high life. And then some who have decided they don't want to work and can live quite well on benefits so why work?
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 26, 2022 21:08:33 GMT
I think we also have to understand that there are people who are not that smart or do not understand what they are entitled to and are living in poverty. Then there are some who are working the system, probably doing bad things to get lots of benefits and living the high life. And then some who have decided they don't want to work and can live quite well on benefits so why work? and there are also those who simply want to avoid claiming benefits as that is not what they do. Many of the older members of our population fall into that category.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 26, 2022 21:16:31 GMT
Just come off the phone to a friend of mine who was on Benefits and he says that 60 hours work a week gets him £10 a week more than he got on benefits, so as he sees it he's working for< 20p an hour. Cobblers. 60hrs at minimum wage is £30k/year.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 26, 2022 21:53:42 GMT
Just come off the phone to a friend of mine who was on Benefits and he says that 60 hours work a week gets him £10 a week more than he got on benefits, so as he sees it he's working for< 20p an hour. Cobblers. 60hrs at minimum wage is £30k/year. Wouldn't have thought there was so much call for shoe repairs.
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Post by keitha on Mar 26, 2022 22:13:47 GMT
I think we also have to understand that there are people who are not that smart or do not understand what they are entitled to and are living in poverty. Then there are some who are working the system, probably doing bad things to get lots of benefits and living the high life. And then some who have decided they don't want to work and can live quite well on benefits so why work? and there are also those who simply want to avoid claiming benefits as that is not what they do. Many of the older members of our population fall into that category. referred to as the proud poor pensioners here, they don't want people to know they are seriously struggling
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