keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 27, 2022 13:21:17 GMT
Apparently the "old copper" system is antiquated and we need to move to VOIP by 31/12/2025 so that copper lines are no longer used we will all be on broadband
Now I'm not a genius but I see the flaw in this the vast majority of properties in the UK USE COPPER for their broadband. Indeed it shares the copper line with the phone.
BT say the equipment necessary to keep copper running is no longer made, this is the same fatuous argument used by utility suppliers all the time its Bovine Excrement, Were I a supplier of widget A and also the new Widget B as long as customers ask for Widget A I will keep making it,
I remember years ago that our Spec for PC's called for a parallel port, one well known PC manufacturer said they couldn't supply PC's with parallel ports and that the cost would be prohibitive.
We said Ok we will look elsewhere 2 week later they came back and said that given British Gas had the same requirement they could now supply them at the old price ( Interestingly they came as a preinstalled add on card ) but yes suppliers shouldn't tell customers what they are getting they should supply what they want.
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aj
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Post by aj on Jul 27, 2022 13:40:07 GMT
If moving my landline to VOIP means BT can use more of the available bandwidth for my internet connection, then great! I haven't used a land line for years, but faster internet is always a boon.
My folks have already been moved to VOIP as they are on fibre to premises. An issue they raised is their old analogue phone didn't need mains power to work; they have been supplied FOC with a mini UPS for their router and handset to put their elderly minds at rest in case of power cuts!
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jul 27, 2022 13:51:22 GMT
If moving my landline to VOIP means BT can use more of the available bandwidth for my internet connection, then great! I haven't used a land line for years, but faster internet is always a boon. My folks have already been moved to VOIP as they are on fibre to premises. An issue they raised is their old analogue phone didn't need mains power to work; they have been supplied FOC with a mini UPS for their router and handset to put their elderly minds at rest in case of power cuts! I have voip and it works well. However, I'm not convinced some of the (very important!) non-regional numbers work such as 999, 101 etc. Obviously I can't just "try them".
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Post by westcountryfunder on Jul 27, 2022 14:31:09 GMT
Now I'm not a genius but I see the flaw in this the vast majority of properties in the UK USE COPPER for their broadband. Indeed it shares the copper line with the phone. BT say the equipment necessary to keep copper running is no longer made, this is the same fatuous argument used by utility suppliers all the time its Bovine Excrement, Were I a supplier of widget A and also the new Widget B as long as customers ask for Widget A I will keep making it, Nothing new about this attitude to consumers. Back in the 1950s I can remember accompanying my mother when she was shopping for some item of haberdashery, only to be told that "there is no demand for it any longer". Well, if you fail to stock an item, it cannot be surprising that you won't sell any of it, and therefore "there is no demand". Subsequently I have encountered the same responses to my requirements, usually for some d.i.y. item, on numerous occasions. Anyway, I digress. The broadband used by most properties in the UK is, as you say, FTTC, and copper thereafter. I have no wish to pay for FTTP, and the only reason I could envisage wanting to do so would be to improve streaming services to the TV, which are inclined to drop out with my present FTTC arrangement. But as far as I am concerned I only use streaming services to catch up with some terrestrial TV programme which I have missed and/or failed to record from the Freeview transmission. In my opinion the UK has a more than adequate terrestrial Freeview service, and I can see no merit in ditching this infrastructure and moving entirely to streaming, which seems to be the way we are going. Change for the sake of change! Yes, I'm a member of the flat earth society, and I'm confident that adrianc and others will enjoy telling me how wonderful are all these new services and products, although no doubt the smartphone comfort blankets are even better.
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pikestaff
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Post by pikestaff on Jul 27, 2022 16:15:08 GMT
A few points: - What's being discontinued is the old PSTN telephone exchanges, all of which are being replaced by digital.
- VOIP does not require FFTP. It just requires broadband. When the switchover to VOIP is completed many homes will still have a copper connection to the cabinet (but will need broadband to use it).
- Nobody will have to pay more.
More info here. The rollout of VOIP was paused in March 2022 following customer complaints, and the storms which left many remote communities (with no mobile signal) without electricity for days if not weeks. AFIAK it remains paused while the issues raised are properly dealt with, but I could be out of date. |
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Post by benaj on Jul 27, 2022 17:33:19 GMT
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 27, 2022 17:37:12 GMT
The broadband used by most properties in the UK is, as you say, FTTC, and copper thereafter. I have no wish to pay for FTTP, and the only reason I could envisage wanting to do so would be to improve streaming services to the TV, which are inclined to drop out with my present FTTC arrangement. But as far as I am concerned I only use streaming services to catch up with some terrestrial TV programme which I have missed and/or failed to record from the Freeview transmission. In my opinion the UK has a more than adequate terrestrial Freeview service, and I can see no merit in ditching this infrastructure and moving entirely to streaming, which seems to be the way we are going. Change for the sake of change! Mmm. I think you may find that there's quite a lot of people disagree with you on that one. Did you ever have a video rental shop membership card, or sign up to LoveFilm and get DVDs through the post? That's what evolved into streaming. But with even more stock, and immediate delivery... Timed broadcasting is pretty much dead in the water. Who really wants to wait until next Thursday at 8.30pm for the next episode of whatever the latest series is? Who really wants to have to fanny about with recording that programme if they happen to be doing something else at Thursday 8.30pm? I'm a luddite about many things, but streaming video really does offer massive advantages.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 27, 2022 17:39:16 GMT
The rollout of VOIP was paused in March 2022 following customer complaints, and the storms which left many remote communities (with no mobile signal) without electricity for days if not weeks. AFIAK it remains paused while the issues raised are properly dealt with, but I could be out of date. Such is the theory - but one friend round the corner found his copper landline ceased to work in May, while half the village (fortunately, not him) was in the middle of the fibre outage. When BT investigated, they were told that the line had been moved to digital over fibre... No fore-warning at all. I'm in the middle of investigating different FTTP suppliers at the mo. Most of the options would require me to move to FTTP or use different suppliers for landline and broadband, as many FTTP suppliers do not offer copper landlines.
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pikestaff
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Post by pikestaff on Jul 27, 2022 17:51:52 GMT
Such is the theory - but one friend round the corner found his copper landline ceased to work in May, while half the village (fortunately, not him) was in the middle of the fibre outage. When BT investigated, they were told that the line had been moved to digital over fibre... No fore-warning at all.... AIUI the switch to digital may be accelerated if the PSTN exchange develops a fault. I'm not saying this is the explanation but it might be.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jul 27, 2022 17:52:51 GMT
The broadband used by most properties in the UK is, as you say, FTTC, and copper thereafter. I have no wish to pay for FTTP, and the only reason I could envisage wanting to do so would be to improve streaming services to the TV, which are inclined to drop out with my present FTTC arrangement. But as far as I am concerned I only use streaming services to catch up with some terrestrial TV programme which I have missed and/or failed to record from the Freeview transmission. In my opinion the UK has a more than adequate terrestrial Freeview service, and I can see no merit in ditching this infrastructure and moving entirely to streaming, which seems to be the way we are going. Change for the sake of change! Mmm. I think you may find that there's quite a lot of people disagree with you on that one. Did you ever have a video rental shop membership card, or sign up to LoveFilm and get DVDs through the post? That's what evolved into streaming. But with even more stock, and immediate delivery... Timed broadcasting is pretty much dead in the water. Who really wants to wait until next Thursday at 8.30pm for the next episode of whatever the latest series is? Who really wants to have to fanny about with recording that programme if they happen to be doing something else at Thursday 8.30pm? I'm a luddite about many things, but streaming video really does offer massive advantages. News, sports, music events etc are still pretty popular...
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jul 27, 2022 17:55:48 GMT
Mmm. I think you may find that there's quite a lot of people disagree with you on that one. Did you ever have a video rental shop membership card, or sign up to LoveFilm and get DVDs through the post? That's what evolved into streaming. But with even more stock, and immediate delivery... Timed broadcasting is pretty much dead in the water. Who really wants to wait until next Thursday at 8.30pm for the next episode of whatever the latest series is? Who really wants to have to fanny about with recording that programme if they happen to be doing something else at Thursday 8.30pm? I'm a luddite about many things, but streaming video really does offer massive advantages. News, sports, music events etc are still pretty popular... Indeed they are. And many people time-shift them, as well as taking advantage of the much wider range of music and sport available...
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Post by travolta on Jul 27, 2022 18:02:40 GMT
I liked Love Film .They had a lot of foreign/continental films on tap,including oldies.
Are there any streaming services that provide these now, that you know of, please?
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Post by Balder on Jul 27, 2022 18:03:35 GMT
poorer service (no phone during a power cut), no reduction in price - all positives for BT non for the consumer.
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Post by overthehill on Jul 27, 2022 18:06:35 GMT
I liked Love Film .They had a lot of foreign/continental films on tap,including oldies. Are there any streaming services that provide these now, that you know of, please? Torrent ! Walter Presents C4, wasn't Love Film C4?
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Jul 28, 2022 7:09:08 GMT
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