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Post by registerme on Oct 19, 2022 18:24:06 GMT
Chief Whip gone?
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Post by mrk on Oct 19, 2022 19:26:27 GMT
Chief whip Wendy Morton and her deputy Craig Whittaker.Apparently they said the vote on fracking was a confidence motion, then they realised too many MPs would vote against anyway, so Energy minister Graham Stuart said it wasn't a confidence vote, undermining the whips who resigned. Also, allegations of bullying, with MPs dragged by force to vote. Can it get any more messy? Update: Wendy Morton was still Chief Whip on Wednesday night after a day of chaos in the Commons, No 10 has confirmed.Ms Morton and Craig Whittaker, her deputy, were understood to have quit following a shambolic vote over fracking which saw more than 35 Tory MPs defy the Government to abstain. (The Telegraph)
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Post by adrianc on Oct 19, 2022 20:15:59 GMT
Blimey, he's 10 minutes into the job and he still hasn't ****** it up? That must be a first for him....this government. Going some to top Truss, though - killing the queen on day 3 is quite the achievement.
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Post by keitha on Oct 19, 2022 21:02:42 GMT
did the monotone voice bore the poor old Queen to death
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 19, 2022 23:21:53 GMT
Apparently not Bizarrely Chief Whip along with the PM abstained
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 20, 2022 7:45:34 GMT
Apparently not Bizarrely Chief Whip along with the PM abstained I read this morning that in all the chaos - with reports of Truss chasing Wendy Morton possibly to plead with her not to resign - Truss didn't have some id or other and also* forgot to go through the lobby in time. Perhaps this is why they chose not to make it a confidence vote as Thick Lizzy would have had to withdraw the whip from herself. Or get her chief whip to withdraw it, as that might be the correct procedure. Except there may not have been one to do that for a fleeting moment while WM was in a Schrodinger Resigned/Not Resigned superposition. In fact, maybe that is the explanation: Wendy Morton was obliged to withdraw the whip from LT because the PM didn't vote, so she felt obliged to honorably resign thereby preventing her from being able to withdraw the whip. She could then be reinstated by LT after the appropriate moment had passed. That's probably what actually happened. Only way to explain the apparent chaos in what I'm sure was actually a slick operation. *Correction: she hadn't lost her id etc., on re reading apparently she 'lost her security detail'. Which I find surprising, since I thought in the current situation her grasp of detail is so lacking that I don't know how she might have ever had it to lose it.
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Post by duck on Oct 20, 2022 8:45:39 GMT
The question that is bugging me is who is actually the Home Secretary now? Grant Shapps, Michael Green, Sebastian Fox or Corrine Stockheath ...... or is the job now actually a job share?
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Post by mrk on Oct 20, 2022 8:57:48 GMT
Tory rebels warned they will be punished over 'confidence vote' in 1.30am U-turnThe 36 MPs who abstained include Boris Johnson, Kwasi Kwarteng, Theresa May and Liz Truss herself Tory MPs who failed to back the Government in a crunch vote on fracking last night will be punished, Downing Street has said.Tory whips had told Conservative MPs that the vote was being treated as a motion of confidence in the Government and instructed them to vote against Labour’s proposal to ban fracking.However, a minister then said it was not a confidence vote, only for No 10 to issue a statement at 1.33am this morning insisting that it was.It's honestly impossible at this point to tell satire from reality.
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Post by jonno on Oct 20, 2022 9:03:37 GMT
The question that is bugging me is who is actually the Home Secretary now? Grant Shapps, Michael Green, Sebastian Fox or Corrine Stockheath ...... or is the job now actually a job share? Well it would certainly need a braver man than me.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 20, 2022 9:03:52 GMT
so who gets to discipline Liz Truss then? Can't be the chief whip because apparently she didn't vote either. Still, I'm sure its a cunning ploy: Johnson also abstained, which means he could lose the whip and therefore can no longer be talked about as making a comeback to replace Thick Lizzy. Very very clever. So clever, it's a bit John Le Carre.
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Post by registerme on Oct 20, 2022 9:06:25 GMT
so who gets to discipline Liz Truss then? Can't be the chief whip because apparently she didn't vote either. Still, I'm sure its a cunning ploy: Johnson also abstained, which means he could lose the whip and therefore can no longer be talked about as making a comeback to replace Thick Lizzy. Very very clever. So clever, it's a bit John Le Carre. Naah, Le Carre had a plot, and knew where he was going with something. Also his characters tended to be more nuanced than a simple combination of incompetence, venality and self-entitlement.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2022 9:10:43 GMT
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Post by jo on Oct 20, 2022 9:11:27 GMT
Both the Chief Whip and the PM voted against the motion.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 20, 2022 9:52:30 GMT
Both the Chief Whip and the PM voted against the motion. what's your source ? The BBC (not necessarily always correct of course) was and still is saying: "The list on Parliament's website, which shows how MPs vote, reveals that 40 Conservative MPs did not take part, including Ms Truss and Chief Whip Wendy Morton." I can't find the "list on parliament's website". I can find the "theyworkforyou" record which does show one Elizabeth Truss has having voted No. EDIT: now found the original HOP source, and you are correct it is showing her as having voted
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Post by jo on Oct 20, 2022 10:02:49 GMT
Both the Chief Whip and the PM voted against the motion. what's your source ? The BBC (not necessarily always correct of course) was and still is saying: "The list on Parliament's website, which shows how MPs vote, reveals that 40 Conservative MPs did not take part, including Ms Truss and Chief Whip Wendy Morton." I can't find the "list on parliament's website". I can find the "theyworkforyou" record which does show one Elizabeth Truss has having voted No. EDIT: now found the original HOP source, and you are correct it is showing her as having voted I was originally using that unrepentant government mouthpiece The Guardian www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2022/oct/19/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-fracking-motion
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