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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 13:32:54 GMT
Which cultural norms should we put up with, child brides, child prostitution, slavery, debt inheritance, prejudice based on religion, cast, tribe or colour, ownership rights being different due to gender, race, colour or religion, physical modification enforced due to religion, race, skin colour, rights and laws to divorce being different due to gender. It is all very childlike to sit and watch Olympian like comparing cultures, but getting into a culture and suddenly discovering that your rights have just been removed, or never existed because you skin is the wrong colour or your religion is not acceptable or even that your right to life just got removed because you like kissing people of the same gender. Not understanding this suggests a lack of empathy. I have friends who are not allowed to go to some parts of their own home town because of their job, or their religion or their skin colour not their nationality or wealth. This is not a game this is prejudice and needs to be fought everyday. Yes there are some absolutes. So we should invade half the world then ? where, in what I wrote, did I suggest invasion of any country?
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Post by agent69 on Nov 22, 2022 14:09:35 GMT
So we should invade half the world then ? We've already ticked that off our national bucket list. - You sail half way round the world in ships full of heavily armed sailors, to a destination where the locals only have sharp sticks to defend themselves with
- When you get there you take liberties with the local women, and
- Steal anything of value that's not nailed down.
- Despite the above, nobody can understand why the locals aren't pleased to have us there
What a wonderful thing the empire must have been.
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Post by benaj on Nov 22, 2022 14:35:11 GMT
Does anybody care about the ads on live FIFA matches?
It seems I fail to understand the advertising standards allowed on FIFA,
- xxxxx is no 1, the rest of the world is no 2 from an appliance manufacturer. - crypto ads when other people have lost money in the crypto exchange recently - global fizzy drink company does not care the potential PR disaster caused by famous footballers like Portuguese team capital did last year.
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Post by keitha on Nov 22, 2022 16:43:58 GMT
I have friends who are not allowed to go to some parts of their own home town because of their job, or their religion or their skin colour not their nationality or wealth. This is not a game this is prejudice and needs to be fought everyday. Yes there are some absolutes. I guy I know who lives in Grimsby was very badly beaten up, his "crime" He was from the Nunsthorpe estate and went out with a girl from the Yarborough estate When I grew up, I was bullied by a lot of local kids, because I lived on a council estate and went to grammar school. the last time I lived in town we had major issues with Eastern European young men, most of them carried knives and were "happy" to use them to avenge any insult they perceived.
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Post by stevepn on Nov 22, 2022 16:51:38 GMT
Does anybody care about the ads on live FIFA matches? It seems I fail to understand the advertising standards allowed on FIFA, - xxxxx is no 1, the rest of the world is no 2 from an appliance manufacturer. - crypto ads when other people have lost money in the crypto exchange recently - global fizzy drink company does not care the potential PR disaster caused by famous footballers like Portuguese team capital did last year. No I am not bothered about the ads on fifa matches nor am I interested in in this world cup that fifa have made a farce of. fifa are only after the filthy lucre.
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Post by ozboy on Nov 22, 2022 21:02:45 GMT
We've already ticked that off our national bucket list. - You sail half way round the world in ships full of heavily armed sailors, to a destination where the locals only have sharp sticks to defend themselves with
- When you get there you take liberties with the local women, and
- Steal anything of value that's not nailed down.
- Despite the above, nobody can understand why the locals aren't pleased to have us there
What a wonderful thing the empire must have been.
Yes, it happens, it's called "conquering", something which has been going on since time immemorial when a nation is big and strong enough - I don't understand why people single The British Empire out? .
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Post by michaelc on Nov 22, 2022 21:08:33 GMT
- You sail half way round the world in ships full of heavily armed sailors, to a destination where the locals only have sharp sticks to defend themselves with
- When you get there you take liberties with the local women, and
- Steal anything of value that's not nailed down.
- Despite the above, nobody can understand why the locals aren't pleased to have us there
What a wonderful thing the empire must have been.
Yes, it's called "conquering", something which has been going on since time immemorial when a nation is big and strong enough - why single The British Empire out? . God knows. Particularly as the BE was one of the few where some of those countries being conquered actually preferred British rule over their previous rulers.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 22, 2022 21:08:58 GMT
I'm waiting with a deep sense of dread as to what will become of those brave,principled Iranian footballers who refused to join in with the national anthem. Forget rainbow armbands, that was a REAL gesture. Total admiration. That really is both incredibly brave, and incredibly principled. I hope that the team have hidden their passports, to leave open the potential of not going back.
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Post by ozboy on Nov 22, 2022 21:13:10 GMT
Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail. Shall we start with ......... Sharia Courts?
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Post by registerme on Nov 22, 2022 21:38:13 GMT
Yes, it's called "conquering", something which has been going on since time immemorial when a nation is big and strong enough - why single The British Empire out? . God knows. Particularly as the BE was one of the few where some of those countries being conquered actually preferred British rule over their previous rulers. Well ozboy, read up the thread, it was because michaelc said "So we should invade half the world then"? (My italics). Nothing else.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 22, 2022 21:45:39 GMT
God knows. Particularly as the BE was one of the few where some of those countries being conquered actually preferred British rule over their previous rulers. Well ozboy , read up the thread, it was because michaelc said "So we should invade half the world then"? (My italics). Nothing else. I humbly suggest that it is you who should read upthread but I would forgive you for not being arsed to do so. It was not me that brought up the notion of interfering in other countries. In essence my original point was that I don't believe we should interfere in any countries internal affairs so long as they don't attempt to harm us or our allies. p2pindependentforum.com/post/464182/thread
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Post by adrianc on Nov 22, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail. Shall we start with ......... Sharia Courts? Nobody ever moans about the Beth Din, do they? That's been formalised since the early 18th century. Or ACAS. Or any other extrajudicial mutually-accepted arbitration. Wonder why.
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Post by ozboy on Nov 22, 2022 22:27:40 GMT
Shall we start with ......... Sharia Courts? Nobody ever moans about the Beth Din, do they? That's been formalised since the early 18th century. Or ACAS. Or any other extrajudicial mutually-accepted arbitration. Wonder why. Except that has nothing to do with your erroneous statement - "Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail." Much as it pains you, you are wrong.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 23, 2022 7:23:52 GMT
Well ozboy , read up the thread, it was because michaelc said "So we should invade half the world then"? (My italics). Nothing else. I humbly suggest that it is you who should read upthread but I would forgive you for not being arsed to do so. It was not me that brought up the notion of interfering in other countries. In essence my original point was that I don't believe we should interfere in any countries internal affairs so long as they don't attempt to harm us or our allies. p2pindependentforum.com/post/464182/threadExcept that wasn't you originally said at all. What you originally said, in the context in which it was was said, was that we did not have the right to comment/criticise norms in other countries. Others pointed out that there are norms of humanitarian / human rights and decent behavoiur towards other human beings that they believed we certainly have the right, ought to, and indeed many would argue have a duty to challenge. it was then that you equated that view with one of 'invading half the world'. You did make that equivalence, and only you made that equivalence, which was what registerme has pointed out.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 23, 2022 8:43:30 GMT
Nobody ever moans about the Beth Din, do they? That's been formalised since the early 18th century. Or ACAS. Or any other extrajudicial mutually-accepted arbitration. Wonder why. Except that has nothing to do with your erroneous statement - "Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail." Much as it pains you, you are wrong. I'm not, because Shariah courts (which have been here for forty years, btw) are just an entirely voluntary arbitration service for people who agree to be bound by them. They have zero actual power on anybody who doesn't. Same as ACAS, same as the Beth Din, same as ANY mutually-agreeable arbitrator. Same as asking Dave down the pub which of you's right. So, no, they are not "trying to instigate their cultures and customs here". No more than Brit "ex-pats" who move to Spain and want to drink pints of bitter and eat fish and chips are.
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