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Post by davee39 on Sept 26, 2017 17:42:27 GMT
As an unqualified forum member I would be delighted to offer research assistance for only £50/hour, I imagine far less than you charge your clients. I am not, of course, allowed to offer advice.
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Post by treeman on Sept 26, 2017 17:53:35 GMT
A couple of other questions stevebarryifaDo you invest in P2P yourself? Does you interest come from your own professional DD or questions from your clients?
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Post by david42 on Sept 26, 2017 18:26:27 GMT
Steve I am pleased to hear an IFA taking an interest in peer to peer. When I am feeling cynical I wander whether some IFA's might steer clear of peer to peer because they don't understand it and it is easier just to condemn the sector as too risky ... or maybe they are right. I have been investing with peer to peer for about three years, and I still don't know whether I will come out with a profit. Although my 10% pa returns to date significantly outweigh my 1% pa of realised losses on all but one platform, too much of my capital is tied up in loans that I could not immediately cash in. It is too soon to judge how many of those loans will suffer some element of loss. For an analytical answerto your questions, some platforms publish their historic loan book performance. The data section www.altfidata.com/ is a good starting point - they collect the loans books and analyse the performance. To be able to sensibly advise your clients, I recommend that you invest some of your own money into a selection of platforms. Then you will understand the real issues around complexity, variety of offerings and platforms, assessing trustworthyness of platforms and borrowers, and extensive time needed for research. No amount of words we tell you can substitute for that raw experience. I started on peer to peer because Martin Lewies of Money Saving Expert said that he had tried it and it had worked for him.
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Post by macq on Sept 26, 2017 19:05:03 GMT
Not sure why an IFA would want help from faceless people on a forum who's advice could be misleading.But you may if your lucky get a PM from someone now that you have asked where to invest
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Post by sl125 on Sept 26, 2017 19:58:28 GMT
I'm an IFA, and am considering advising my clients on P2P. Therefore, I'm currently in the process of learning more about P2P lending, and am keen to hear war stories from people who have actually lost money in the process of investing. Wow... I mean just... wow! Assuming this is for real, you are an independent financial advisor.... so people pay you money to receive advice on how they should invest their money.... and what qualifies you to offer that advice? you've simply elicited the views of some anonymous people on a web forum! Beggars belief really.
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Post by registerme on Sept 26, 2017 20:14:23 GMT
Harsh. There's probably more lender side knowledge of P2P (in the UK) here than anywhere else, by quite some margin. Most people, even IFAs, won't even have heard of it. Of those that have their knowledge will be limited (Zopa, FC, err, the end). All will consider it to be an esoteric asset class.
What better place to come top find out more than here?
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 26, 2017 20:19:28 GMT
Of those that have their knowledge will be limited (Zopa, FC, err, the end). I do hope your not trying to create a 'run' on Zopa and FC...... :-) Context is all of course :-)
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Post by martin44 on Sept 26, 2017 20:24:24 GMT
<snip> In particular: - How much money did you lose?
- What happened?
- Which Lender did you invest with?
- Was the provision fund useful? ie. would you have lost more if the lender did not have a provision fund?
- £750.00 not including interest which was £1800.00.
- Boatyard, sank without a trace.
- Fundingsecure.
- They do not have a provision fund. Or a useful SM.
It's a difficult one to answer Steve, i would guess that very few here, if any, have actually 'Lost' any money in P2P , I most definitely lost £750.00 at a boatyard, but if i take my interest profits into account at FS over the last 3 years then i didn't.
Or
I did actually lose money ,£1800.00 from my interest profits , but not my capitol.
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I didn't actually lose anything... But i might have.
Hope this helps.
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sl125
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Post by sl125 on Sept 26, 2017 20:51:51 GMT
Harsh. There's probably more lender side knowledge of P2P (in the UK) here than anywhere else, by quite some margin. Most people, even IFAs, won't even have heard of it. Of those that have their knowledge will be limited (Zopa, FC, err, the end). All will consider it to be an esoteric asset class. What better place to come top find out more than here? Harsh, perhaps. But I cannot see how eliciting anecdotal statements from people on a web forum is any substitute for empirical analysis into the risk versus reward that different forms of P2P offer. This to me seems absurdly dangerous. The general public put their trust in IFAs, and they pay their hard earned money to the IFAs for the advice they give, and they base their investment decisions on the advice given, putting their life savings at risk. The general public should be aware that the person they have asked for advice has about as much knowledge of the subject as they do. My "day job" is as a management consultant. The companies that pay for my advice do so because they know I have the knowledge and experience to offer the advice which forms the basis of spending decisions that could affect the success, or otherwise, of those companies. I could not justify to them or myself charging for advice that I've simply picked up from asking anonymous people on the internet. I am not usually harsh on this forum, but on this matter I feel justified in being somewhat "red in the face" in my criticism.
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Post by peerlessperil on Sept 26, 2017 21:12:38 GMT
This forum contains a huge amount of expertise, and there are some pretty highly qualified investment/finance professionals lurking in the shadows, so an IFA doing his research on here is to be commended. However - I very much doubt any qualified and regulated IFA is going to sign up here in his own name telling the world he is an IFA. Those who want to share their "war stories" with stevebarryifa are advised to ask for his reference number on the Financial Services Register before they join him on his fishing expedition, just to make sure he doesn't exceed his quota for codswallop.
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Post by peerlessperil on Sept 26, 2017 22:09:17 GMT
Those who want to share their "war stories" with stevebarryifa are advised to ask for his reference number on the Financial Services Register before they join him on his fishing expedition, just to make sure he doesn't exceed his quota for codswallop. Question asked. Response awaited. Yes - I saw your post earlier today. Our IFA was online 16 minutes ago and hasn't responded, so I thought I'd top up the cynicism seeing that the thread had rolled onto a new page.... And who could resist an opportunity for some more fishing puns whilst we all wait with baited breath to hear from ablrate?
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Post by pikestaff on Sept 26, 2017 22:33:26 GMT
There was a reporter around here asking similar questions, now a relatively new member doing the same, but (now?) an IFA....hmm...strange your not asking about potential profits, only losses, wonder why that might be? Yes. It was naive of me to take the OP at face value. Reading it again he's obviously not what he pretends to be.
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Post by stevebarryifa on Sept 27, 2017 0:33:55 GMT
Question asked. Response awaited. Yes - I saw your post earlier today. Our IFA was online 16 minutes ago and hasn't responded, so I thought I'd top up the cynicism seeing that the thread had rolled onto a new page.... And who could resist an opportunity for some more fishing puns whilst we all wait with baited breath to hear from ablrate? The cynicism is fair enough, this is the internet! I'm just trying to learn more about the industry, and anecdotal evidence is a good way to get your finger on the pulse. Never trust anybody online, or assume that they are who they say to be. Time tested advice That being said, those who have answered have been really helpful, and I appreciate them taking the time to answer. IMHO the risk in regards to P2P is underplayed.
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Post by duck on Sept 27, 2017 5:45:16 GMT
I haven't lost any money, it's all down the back of my settee so I know where it is. I may have badly invested a couple of quid but that is not the question being asked.
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Post by m2btj on Sept 27, 2017 6:29:32 GMT
Many of your questions have been answered by other forum members. I would add that P2P can be a very attractive part of any diversified investment portfolio. Some platforms require greater DD & although offering lower rates are generally regarded as safer. Archover & Assetz Capital are two examples. Like the stock market investments can go down but from personal experience I have seen net growth of about 7% pa on a fairly defensive P2P portfolio.
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