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Post by number5 on Sept 27, 2017 13:47:57 GMT
Is this interest that is paid upfront when the loan is taken out?
How liquid is the SM, if you wanted to seell
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Post by ceejay on Sept 27, 2017 22:12:13 GMT
One quick way of guessing at the liquidity of the SM (not wholly reliable!) is to look at the full list of loans, and in particular the "units available" column. If that shows zero then there are more buyers than sellers, so should be easy to sell; OTOH if you see a large figure there, selling will take a while. Remember that AC doesn't operate a queuing system for buying or selling - deals are spread across all willing participants.
ATM over half of the loans listed have zero available, so selling should be very quick for those. For others, less so.
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Post by number5 on Sept 27, 2017 22:16:50 GMT
Thank you ceejay for our reply....I am looking at AC and Collateral.
I want to invest in loans which have witheld interest in the original loan amount but also is fairly liquid to sell out when needed.
Also do not want to hold until term and risk default
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Post by hendragon on Sept 28, 2017 8:49:25 GMT
I would respectfully suggest number5 that if you start investing in a loan that you are unwilling to hold to term it is a poor strategy. Perhaps you might begin by investing in loans that you feel confident to hold to term, and if this view changes, sell up (if you can).
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 13:49:31 GMT
I am trying to invest into AC but I am finding it really confusing as to how the property devlopment loans work.
You have interest payments and then principle advance payments?
Also the interest payments vary month on month and are split in small chuncks?
Anyone care to explain how this works please?
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 28, 2017 14:42:11 GMT
I am trying to invest into AC but I am finding it really confusing as to how the property devlopment loans work. You have interest payments and then principle advance payments? Also the interest payments vary month on month and are split in small chuncks? Anyone care to explain how this works please? Principal advance payments are further drawdowns of the facility ie outflows to the borrower, its just the way the AC system keeps track of them. I think the chunks of interest relates to the different tranches as where they have drawn down at different points the interest wont be the same for each and lender holdings will be variably spread amongst the different tranches. Overtime if you dont buy or sell a paticular loan I suspect they will all merge into one payment each month. chris could you explain exactly how the interest works for these loans within the system?
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 14:50:02 GMT
Thank you for claryfying that ilmaro
With regards to units available, how does that work...is the PM and SM joined together?
At FC you had to fund a whole loan amount before this was transfferd to the borrower, or are the 'units avaialble' effectively the secondary market?
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 28, 2017 15:02:30 GMT
Thank you for claryfying that ilmaro With regards to units available, how does that work...is the PM and SM joined together? At FC you had to fund a whole loan amount before this was transfferd to the borrower, or are the 'units avaialble' effectively the secondary market? There isnt really a PM on AC. When loans drawdown they are initially funded by the QAA or sometimes underwriters who then release the funds for the general lenders to invest in. Thats why when a loan initially launches lenders dont get any for a few days. The QAA & underwriters dont release the whole loan on to the market at once but as and when they need to realise funds within there individual objectives. So yes units availiable are effectively the secondary market, general lenders arent involved in the initial funding of the loan. Means there is no delay in drawdown and no uncertainty that a loan will be funded.
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 15:47:49 GMT
You really are awesome ilmoro, why can I not find this information anywhere else. I have been struggling to get to grips with AC.
So effectivelly all the units available are people selling their holdings. I read somewhere there are premiums and discounts.
How do you know what you are buying and if it has a premium?
The more units avaialble, the harder to sell up at a later. What order do things get sold, if loads of people are selling?
Really appreciate your help!
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Post by slumberingaccountant on Sept 28, 2017 16:16:58 GMT
I have sold at a 1% discount a couple of times where i have bought into a loan and wanted to get back out and theres a big queue. So far i have cashed out within 24hrs - but i am talking about selling holdings of less than £500.- i tend to invest in most loans for diversification.
There are hardly any loans with discounts on the SM at any one time
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 16:20:07 GMT
I don't really diversify...more large amounts in one loan, then sell out before end of loan term.
Sounds like it is difficult to sell out on AC compared to FC, where I was able to flip large sums at 2 months prior to end of loan term.
Is this right for me to assume?
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Post by slumberingaccountant on Sept 28, 2017 16:27:28 GMT
I too Flipped just before the end on FC. it worked very well for me.
The trouble is that the FC property development loans have gone, and not many are in AC. There are a few, but many of the loans here are slightly different, often more complex.- meaning that they can and do default or run into trouble earlier. So flipping doesnt necessarily work. (or it might, but working out when to flip is harder !)
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 16:32:26 GMT
Thank you so much slumberingaccontant!
Saved me making a costly mistake!
So looking to recreate the property flipping strategy from FC won't work here!
Does it work anywhere else?
Where do you invest now?
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Post by slumberingaccountant on Sept 28, 2017 18:24:54 GMT
I am struggling to find anywhere with the loans FC used to have. Im still investing more in AC, but ive got a pile i took out of FC invested in Ac 30 day acccount ( as being, i hope, lowish risk, but ok rate for that risk). I was in lendinvest but rates there are lower than a year ago and in many cases too low to bother. Im with Lendy too but not much new coming through.
so answers on where to invest very welcome....
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Post by number5 on Sept 28, 2017 18:40:24 GMT
I am with you, getting a bit frustrated where to replicate FC! However for the timebeing I still have a large sum with FC..but I managed my portfolio before it closed off so that I have property loans with a min 8/9 months remaining. So that in April or so I will sell the lot as I 'flip' for the last time! Might have to consider settling for AC 30 day for the incoming cash for now, until I find something more suitable. Although don't like having to wait 30 days for money... Welcome to other suggestions too.. How are lendy as a platform...
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