moist
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Post by moist on Oct 9, 2017 7:56:32 GMT
I see the storm clouds are still gathering.......
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Post by loftankerman on Oct 9, 2017 8:36:51 GMT
I see the storm clouds are still gathering....... No problem, Lendy comprehensively dismissed all the baseless suggestions that things might not be well. I rest assured.
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Post by zzr600 on Oct 9, 2017 9:58:41 GMT
I see the storm clouds are still gathering....... Care to provide more details?
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stub8535
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Post by stub8535 on Oct 9, 2017 10:05:51 GMT
I see the storm clouds are still gathering....... No problem, Lendy comprehensively dismissed all the baseless suggestions that things might not be well. I rest assured. Thanks for the heads up for those that do not read the Sunday Telegraph. Simple search "lendy + sunday telegraph" works well. Overvaluations of property in p2p are rife across many platforms. I am starting to see clauses in valuation documents that could exclude the valuer from future blame if things are found to be wrong. Yes, I am one of those odd people who reads terms and conditions now. This is bad enough on initial valuations on application. On renewal loans there are platforms that rely on the original valuation multiple times. On development loans lenders are asked to fill new tranches of a loan, sometimes, without a revaluation or checks to see that previous moneys advanced have been used for the purpose of the loan to push it towards completion. Several people have tried to get lenders fired up about this in the past and have ended up frustrated at the apathy shown. Until this is tested then lenders will still be impacted by dodgy, borrower choice, valuers overinflating the figures.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 9, 2017 11:03:11 GMT
I see the storm clouds are still gathering....... No problem, Lendy comprehensively dismissed all the baseless suggestions that things might not be well. I rest assured. Hardly surprising and not difficult. No sources, few facts, no comparative discussion, no context, no consideration of the wider implications or where the issue may lie. 'FCA is understood' ... from whom? ... a bloke down the pub, a disgruntled lender ... not even sources close to Lendy this time or the FCA. Percentage of Lendy book outside term ... excellent a fact ... so how does that compare to other P2P platforms, bridging industry as a whole, high risk lenders etc? As to the actual case ... 4.9m valuation ... understood to be only worth 2m now ... again understood from whom ... a valuer, the property agents, sources close to Lendy? Why the drop ... failure by the borrower to maintain the property, issues over title, lack of leases, change in local conditions, the B word ... Interestingly, part of the property was valued by a different valuer in 2014 and in comparison the valuation for Lendy is actually conservative. So what about the wider issue which is probably where the journalist should be going? Where does the actual issue lie? With the platform? With the valuer? Collusion between the two? Should they be looking at how the whole valuation industry works, the role of the regulator/professional body RICS which allows valuations to be made carrying their validations of methodology and standards? None of this is touched on at all.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Oct 9, 2017 11:16:30 GMT
I doubt Lendy themselves are much concerned at the articles. Most of their (few thousand) existing lenders already know the state of play with the Lendy loan book and likely have decided already whether to reduce or maintain their investments. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Telegraph readers (ideal Lendy target market!) learn of Lendy’s existence via front page exposure on the Business section and the sort of returns available.
As someone once said, “There’s no such thing as bad publicity”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 11:23:05 GMT
Carefully rode my bike to the library to read the DT. Call me "wild". Anyway Lendy have a big central yacht photo in the business section, fantastic publicity and the Telegraph or "the travel magazine of the oldie" as we call it at home has done a not very good write up. I thought taking on Cowes week might be a mistake .
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 9, 2017 11:40:47 GMT
Picked up by Business Insider ... but now with rebadged with a slightly more serious air ... is this 'poring' actually just part of the authorisation process?
I await the statement from Paul on the support page
Edit: Oh the irony ... in July the Telegraph partner with Lendy to offer a VIP trip to Lendy Cowes week and then wrote fluff pieces promoting it.
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Post by am on Oct 9, 2017 12:40:01 GMT
As someone once said, “There’s no such thing as bad publicity” Unless you're Dove Or Ratner Group.
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Post by guff on Oct 9, 2017 15:34:32 GMT
Unless you're Dove Or Ratner Group. Or a Swedish Portugese English Architect Economist Bargepole manufacturer.
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Post by Lendy Support on Oct 9, 2017 15:49:00 GMT
Dear all, thanks for the comments on today's The Daily Telegraph article. As a company, we co-operated fully with the newspaper, advising where we felt they had their facts wrong, and where we felt they were misrepresenting facts. While they included some of our comments, they ignored most of our responses. As part of our application for full FCA authorisation, we confirmed that, like all regulated companies, we do of course meet with the FCA on a regular basis. Many of the recent changes to the platform have been as a result of our discussions with the FCA. We have been as transparent as we can be at the current time with investor in PBL155 (W******y C****e) that was featured in the article. Our most recent update said: ""As part of the LPA receiver’s initial due diligence following its appointment on this loan, it has taken advice from various third parties in connection with the property’s value. Unfortunately, this advice has returned giving an adverse opinion as to the property value. In light of this, and in line with our regulatory requirements, Lendy has taken the decision to suspend the trading of this loan on the secondary market given the change to the risk profile. At this point in time, we are unable to release more information in order to protect any claims we may have against various parties. Please be assured that Lendy will be pursuing all appropriate recovery options available to ensure the maximum return to its investors." We were therefore unable to confirm anything more to the journalist while we continue the recovery process. While this has been a difficult loan, Lendy has invested a lot of resources on recovery over recent months. Earlier last week, we made what we believe to be the UK’s biggest-ever single P2P loan repayment. The loan, which was secured against the former Kentish Town Studios building in north London, was repaid in full 21 days ahead of schedule. This was one of a batch of repayments that are expected to total £19m over the next couple of weeks, bringing repayments since July 2017 to £38.5m, and a total of over £180 million in capital and interest to lenders repaid since the platform was launched in October 2012. All our loans are at a maximum of 70% LTV, which gives lenders a cushion if a non-performing loan does eventually lead to Lendy foreclosing on the borrower. In addition to the sale of the security, we often have further recourse against the borrower, as is the case with this loan. Where a property is negligently overvalued, we have the option of pursuing the independent valuer’s professional indemnity insurer for the damages. Regarding loans in default, at present, just 13% of Lendy’s loan book by value is considered non-performing. When the entire loan book since inception is taken into account, this figure is 7%. No lenders through the Lendy platform have, to date, suffered any losses of principal on loans. We also explained to The Telegraph that portraying an overdue loan as a default is a clear misrepresentation of how the bridging loan market operates. We stressed that the bridging loan market could not operate if every loan that was one day overdue was forced into default and recovery action. A bridging loan is a commercial agreement that is not comparable to, for example, a residential mortgage. Some degree of tolerance period is virtually universal in the bridging loan market, as it allows a degree of flexibility for the lender to resolve common situations that are beyond the control of the borrower, such as delays in planning permission. While the Telegraph article was not ideal, we have confidence in our model, which has proved very successful over recent years, and also in our ability to recover loans that have gone post term. We always say: "All loans made through Lendy’s platform are secured on UK property; however, your capital is at risk should a borrower default. Funds lent through a peer to peer website are not covered by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme. Whilst no Lendy investor has been subject to any loss of capital, past performance is not a guarantee of future performance. Please obtain independent advice if you are in any doubt as to whether this platform is suitable for you or if you require tax advice. Please see our full risk statement - www.lendy.co.uk/risk. Regards Paul64 Lendy Support
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Post by webbski9 on Oct 9, 2017 15:56:00 GMT
OK Lendy...listen up..... I've just received your cheerful email regarding the Platforms 5th birthday.....now,can we get down to basics... The publicity gets worse by the day.You ( Lendy) dismiss all the questions regarding valuations ( or rather answer them with your own spin on them ). I know you must have heard the old saying...No smoke without fire.I think we the investors need full blooded answers soonest. Also,what are your comments regarding the upcoming investigation by the authorities ? Lastly,lets be honest,the SM for loans ,shall we say,a tad behind the original pay date ,are almost impossible to sell.Why? Because you ,rather like Moneything and Collateral do not operate a " professional secondary market".The best example of such is Ablrate where,you can bid and offer to your hearts content .The ONLY way an SM can truly be a SM. Even FS operates one. So please,lets have some answers.WE( on this platform) and ALL other investors in Lendy deserve so much more than has so far been forthcoming. Thank you in anticipation.
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Post by hazellend on Oct 9, 2017 15:58:25 GMT
I’m still investing with Lendy when further attractive loans become available.
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Post by cwah on Oct 9, 2017 16:04:10 GMT
Why would a valuer overvaluate a property value?
Is it because he s paid by the borrower?
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 9, 2017 16:54:39 GMT
Regarding loans in default, at present, just 13% of Lendy’s loan book by value is considered non-performing. Paul64, Lendy Support: Can you please explain why Lendy continue to exclude DFL001, DFL002, and PBL155 -- loans where LPA receivers have been appointed -- from the non-performing loans total? ISTM that loans are either performing or non-performing. Why would a lender appoint LPA receivers to deal with a performing loan?
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