star dust
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Post by star dust on Dec 16, 2017 19:00:46 GMT
Email just received from AC, won't put it all here but the gist
"We have temporarily paused new investment into the GEA (Green Energy Account) and permanently ceased it into the GBBA Series 1. We have plans to deliver new loan flow into the GEA and hope to be able to reopen the account at the current 7% target rate early in the New Year. However, in respect of the GBBA Series 1," ........ "we have decided to replace the popular GBBA Series 1 with a new Series 2 account. The new GBBA Series 2 account will be made available during Wednesday 20th December 2017 at a slightly lower gross target interest rate of 6.25% per annum."
Basically they are struggling to get a deal flow of loans at the 'right rate', and investors are struggling to get invested.
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Post by notascooby on Dec 16, 2017 19:06:03 GMT
Well summarised. I read this too. Bit of an odd time to do this, because I would imagine Christmas is a time of drop off in loan demand unless AC might be thinking of hoovering up some of those low interest manual loans
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Post by df on Dec 16, 2017 20:09:19 GMT
It was expected. There was a discussion here few months ago and AC rep hinted that this will be the case in near future. I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 16, 2017 20:24:08 GMT
They're going to be up against the new portfolio loans from ABLRate, at a higher APR, albeit with no direct protection (but then protection on the GBBA/GEIA is a bit flaky too). ABLRate are also already flying their ISA, so as a (minor) AC equity investor I hope they have their water fowl neatly collimated before too long. I imagine the Xmas 'loan drought' must be getting under way shortly.
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Post by Mike on Dec 16, 2017 20:36:25 GMT
AC run a business. They say: demand > supply => increase price. Good for them, I agree.
I can't divest my p2p portfolio properly because there are so few platforms I view as trustworthy - AC is one (partly because of the Assetz group) - so IMV they deserve to apply a premium. Compared to some other platforms, AC have openly learnt RE: dodgy introducer's and changed in a way I approve.
I don't have AC equity but clearly have an interest in them succeeding
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Dec 16, 2017 22:01:23 GMT
so gbba 1 is dead which now makes the diversity problem for the remaining investers even more pressing, as loans pay off and new loans do not occur how is AC going to manage the risc to the. remaining investers to the promise in the original offer statement of no more than 20% exposure and a implied promise of much better diversity. Sorry I think AC are sleep walking into major problems, with if the PF fails in any way and investers, and i am not one, run to the fsa screaming foul if their losses are high due to exposure to an indivdual loan in their fund in excess of the funds rules.
AC in effect are payed to manage the funds of the investers to the deal offered and if they fail.??SSSSS
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Post by martinde21 on Dec 17, 2017 5:45:34 GMT
I am not surprised GBBA Series 1 has been closed and a new GBBA Series opened with 0.75% different in the target return. The AC rep did state there was an excess of borrower demand over supply at this rate and they are also focusing on lower risk loans.
There is however small print in the announcement - interest and capital repayments from Series 1 will be repaid into holding accounts I believe, so can be invested in Series 2. Series 1 loans aren't therefore "dead" - they will continue to earn interest as they come to term.
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Post by daveb4 on Dec 17, 2017 8:40:18 GMT
Thought the rate would lower sooner to be honest.
For some time now they have been trying to buy in business at cheaper rates and I would hope a better average of businesses than some other platforms. Hopefully this will work.
This may clear out some of the secondary market as well.
I like the main individual investing account and keep spare cash in the GBBA so works for me as one of 6 platforms.
IMHO Aseetz are going for the 'put the cash in and leave' investors and I have introduced a number of friends on this basis and they are very happy with rate and does also get them interested in P2P.
6.25% is low for us but for many out there it is very good.
ISA at 5%?
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Post by agent69 on Dec 17, 2017 9:49:56 GMT
Does GBBA2 come with the promised improvement in diversity, or is it still 20% max?
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Post by jonah on Dec 17, 2017 10:05:49 GMT
My GBBA was having a lot of buying and selling yesterday... lots until 1 minute to midnight when it stopped. Has anyone had any trades since then, ie on the 17th or later?
If they have stopped all trading then I wonder what happens if one of my holdings which is no longer eligible has issues... hopefully not a scenario which will happen.
Edit: This is fixed... probably by Chris / his boot!
To be honest I was expecting AC to force the account to withdraw all repayment (which they allude to in the email) so I will be pleasantly surprised if it buys any more loan parts with its uninvested cash before then.
Edit: Chris' note below clarifies this point too!
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Post by ashtondav on Dec 17, 2017 10:52:45 GMT
Does GBBA2 come with the promised improvement in diversity, or is it still 20% max? Diversification is not an issue if you trust the AC provision fund, but it is the most opaque PF in the p2p universe. Once I discovered that and the 20% diversification nonsense, I started to use only the instant access account for short term funds until deployed in other platforms.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 17, 2017 11:02:53 GMT
Does GBBA2 come with the promised improvement in diversity, or is it still 20% max? Diversification is not an issue It is if you want to cash in your funds and you find that 20% is invested in a defaulted loan, or a loan that nobody else wants!
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Post by trouble on Dec 17, 2017 11:08:20 GMT
Must admit i thought the rate would have been lower than 6.25% as it doesn't give much leeway for all the 7% loans we've been seeing recently and a contribution to the PF
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Post by chris on Dec 17, 2017 11:54:58 GMT
Couple of points where I can hopefully add some clarity.
Series 1 and 2 will share the same coding until the new algorithm is released in mid-Q1 where all accounts, including series 1, will benefit from the changes.
That algorithm will be far quicker and more scalable than the existing solution so the gaps between the market running on any given loan will be much shorter, it will also be far more tolerant of errors so the aim is no more manual application of "boots" to servers. It is designed from the ground up to self recover in the event of any hardware or software failures as well as to detect when it gets itself into a "stalled" state where it thinks it's working but isn't actually doing anything productive.
Series 1 will be shut to all new funds entering the account, including returned capital. So the account itself will slowly wind down as capital is returned. Any funds already invested in the account but not yet deployed into loan units will remain with the system investing those funds as supply of loans allows.
A payout from the PF is indeed imminent. Worth noting that as it stands the reported balances of the provision funds are also cash at this point in time and do not include future income or expected recoveries that could boost the PF value.
The series 2 account will have a seeded PF fund that is expected to cover plenty of growth prior to it becoming self sustaining from interest payments.
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Post by jonah on Dec 17, 2017 12:15:04 GMT
Thanks Chris. I'm sure that your 'toes' will enjoy the rest after algo 2.0 is deployed One point for clarity if you can though, does the seed PF for the GBBA2 mean that the PF for the GBBA1 is currently 'ring fenced' to that account and isn't therefore being 'carried forward' to the new series?
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