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Post by cwah on May 15, 2018 21:11:49 GMT
Aren't valuer a profession ? And if it's an independent valuation, it should sometime under value and sometimes overvalue.
Why do we see so much difference between the advertised LTV and the sell price?
70% LTV should be fairly safe in a normal world!
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Post by df on May 15, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
Aren't valuer a profession ? And if it's an independent valuation, it should sometime under value and sometimes overvalue. Why do we see so much difference between the advertised LTV and the sell price? 70% LTV should be fairly safe in a normal world! It is a profession, not a hobby. They get paid for it. I double the advertised LTV in my risk assessment. I don't mind investing small sums in 140% LTV loans, but it would be easier if valuers were more independent and provided with real figures and Ly dropped their 70% pledge.
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Post by charliebrown on May 16, 2018 2:04:32 GMT
The Castle was valued at 4.9m but sold for 1.5m. This was a PBL not a DFL so it goes to show that you should never trust these so called RICS “experts”. As the OP mentioned we never seem to see properties undervalued they always turn out to be wildly overvalued. The typical scenario we see time and time again is money lent against a wild overvaluation, loan defaults, a second valuation is commissioned and LY posts an update that says the 2nd valuation is “significantly” less than the money we lent. LY, here’s a suggestion, why not get the guy who did the 2nd valuation to do the 1st valuation? The takeaway is in p2p you can trust nothing and no one, it’s a giant den of iniquity.
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Post by spareafewcoppersguv on May 16, 2018 8:03:51 GMT
The Castle was valued at 4.9m but sold for 1.5m. This was a PBL not a DFL so it goes to show that you should never trust these so called RICS “experts”. As the OP mentioned we never seem to see properties undervalued they always turn out to be wildly overvalued. The typical scenario we see time and time again is money lent against a wild overvaluation, loan defaults, a second valuation is commissioned and LY posts an update that says the 2nd valuation is “significantly” less than the money we lent. LY, here’s a suggestion, why not get the guy who did the 2nd valuation to do the 1st valuation? The takeaway is in p2p you can trust nothing and no one, it’s a giant den of iniquity. Why not get more than one valuation, more than 2 when significant sums are involved. And make absolutely sure each valuer doesn't know who the others are to ensure you cosy collusion!!
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Post by Paul64 on May 16, 2018 10:45:39 GMT
Dear thegrumbler, thanks for your post. What you have stated however is factually untrue, and does not reflect in any way how Lendy undertakes it independent valuations. As you might have read in the recent investor update, we have had constructive discussions with RICS over recent weeks. We are now working proactively with them to help ensure that all their members adhere to the highest standards set by the institution, which we will be updating investors on in due course. Separately, on matters where Lendy is undertaking legal proceedings against third parties on behalf of investors, we need to be very careful that we do not breach legal privilege, which would almost certainly negatively impact our case, and therefore reduce the chances of a good and fair outcome for our investors. We will covering this issue in our podcast later in the month. If you DM me with your contact details, we would be more than happy to discuss this matter on the telephone with you, however there is no pressure at all for you to do this. Kind regards, Paul
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Post by zlb on May 16, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
... Ly here’s a suggestion, why not get the guy who did the 2nd valuation to do the 1st valuation?... lol Thanks for the laugh.
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Post by rocky1 on May 16, 2018 11:18:04 GMT
hello paul64 i could understand the odd default but it has become embarrassing. almost every loan is causing problems with one excuse or another.where/what is the security that would make borrowers even think about paying back on time or even at all.all we here is legal this and legal that which us the lenders have to pay for while you continue to throw tranche after extension after anything else of the same loans.borrower compliance does not seem to be high on your list.
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Post by loftankerman on May 16, 2018 11:18:48 GMT
... Ly here’s a suggestion, why not get the guy who did the 2nd valuation to do the 1st valuation?... lol Thanks for the laugh. Reminds me of a great quote. " Not Plan B again!! Why don't we just go with plan B in the first place?"
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Post by zlb on May 16, 2018 11:31:48 GMT
lol Thanks for the laugh. Reminds me of a great quote. " Not Plan B again!! Why don't we just go with plan B in the first place?" In that very example, it might be that my plan B is a cash savings account I wonder what Ly plan B could be.
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Post by sj on May 16, 2018 11:54:06 GMT
...we have had constructive discussions with RICS over recent weeks. We are now working proactively with them to help ensure that all their members adhere to the highest standards set by the institution, which we will be updating investors on in due course. So is that an admission that there are problems with valuations? It certainly reads that way. A long overdue admission if you ask me, and a case of too little too late for some investors. How about trying to take some action against surveyors that produce these whack valuations (the cynical among us might think that it's quite convenient that Lendy gets such nice high valuations, so that they can lend more money and thus make more money themselves through fees). The valuations certainly don't seem to be very accurate at all, judging by the massive issues you have had with valuations in the past on many defaulted/suspended loans, and in fact you continue to have these issues. How do you propose that Lendy goes about getting more realistic valuations? Let me know when you finally start doing that and I might think about investing in new loans again.
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Post by michaelc on May 16, 2018 12:23:35 GMT
When Paul64 refers to legal privilege regarding any possible future action do we think he means: A/ He can't discuss anything to do with any possible future action due to legal privilege between Lendy and their solicitors and/or B/ We shouldn't discuss on this public forum anything to do with possible future action e.g. our views on specific valuations? If A then sounds reasonable but I'm no solicitor. If B then a bit more worrying due to conflict of interest - i.e. Lendy (and many lenders) clearly would rather less of this sort of thing was discussed. Personally, from talking and reading from others some of whom are employed in the p2p industry, the problem is not so much RICS but how their agents are instructed. If being instructed by the borrower's broker then there is a problem right there.
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Post by invester on May 16, 2018 12:42:53 GMT
If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious.
The email tone almost makes out as if RICS and Lendy are somehow equals, yet Lendy is a merely a drop in the water. It's a bit like a guy who was forced to knock of £25,000 on his house sale saying that the entire valuations industry needs to look at themselves, for he cannot possibly be wrong.
It is fact that the really poor recovery rates on some loans indicate there is something clearly wrong, but IMO the fault lies with the P2P platforms keen to finalise deals. Not just here but on other platforms some of the valuations have turned out to be surprisingly high, but also quite convieniently allowing for a 70% LTV loan to be made.
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zlb
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Post by zlb on May 16, 2018 13:02:38 GMT
I don't use other pick your own property secured pbl or dfl platforms (this one is quite enough). I'd have thought that it might be worth asking are the valuations as off-true on other platforms as on Ly? Is there a significant persistent difference? If yes, what's the reason, eg crazy one off properties that people struggle to value because there's no comparitor; or dodgy valuer who asks the borrower what they want? Etc.
What kind of malpractice are Ly raising with RICS?
At the moment, I'm hoping that Ly are making claims about wrong valuations, which Ly aren't able to reveal...
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Post by ozboy on May 16, 2018 13:17:39 GMT
It's a cosy racket, and always has been. I've bored you all for years now with my comments on this, so am very pleased to see many are now waking up to The Great Con. PREDICTION: Football Association will come from Lendy's "discussions" with RICS.
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Post by 69m on May 16, 2018 13:35:56 GMT
Unfortunately, "constructive discussions" and "working proactively" sound like PR platitudes.
I'd much rather hear about how Lendy intends to strengthen its own valuation processes to help restore some investor confidence in the platform. Indeed, I think we're at the stage where multiple RICS valuations are needed for properties that are unusual and / or over a certain price point.
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