zlb
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Post by zlb on May 17, 2018 15:20:37 GMT
Does this aspect fall within their ability to gain FCA authorisation? 4thway says this "Go to register.fca.org.uk/2. Type in the name of the peer-to-peer lending website or IFISA provider, and click Search the Register. 3. Check the full name of the business, the post code and the reference number against those shown on the P2P lending website. If it doesn’t say “authorised” and instead says “interim permission”, this is not a good sign. We believe P2P lending sites should have won full approval by now."
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Post by xpubman1 on May 17, 2018 15:45:56 GMT
Well Ozboy, you certainly bore the pants off of me, so much so. I wonder if you have anything invested on the platforms which attract your comment.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on May 17, 2018 15:50:49 GMT
Of course I have. I've divested fully from Lendy though and have been clear about that.
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Post by loftankerman on May 17, 2018 22:38:23 GMT
It is my impression that all these chartered institutes started off as predominantly protectionist trade bodies that have become more formalised and glorified over time. They are now businesses in themselves. To that end it seems unlikely to me that they will be more protective of members’ clients than the members themselves. I suspect that the younger end of the Lendy investor spectrum might live to see the amusingly named Federation of Master Builders become a chartered institute, as its aims are pretty much the same as others that made the grade. Maybe bricklayers familiar with secret handshakes can help expedite the transition.
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Post by travolta on May 18, 2018 8:46:49 GMT
Aren't valuer a profession ? And if it's an independent valuation, it should sometime under value and sometimes overvalue. Why do we see so much difference between the advertised LTV and the sell price? 70% LTV should be fairly safe in a normal world! Interestingly they carried a property in my area that was a COMPLETE DOG and had been for decades. When I pointed this out I was informed that they had passed on the info . Predictably it crashed and burned and they are pursuing legal methods to scrape up the remnants. I guess you can sue valuers...?
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on May 18, 2018 13:03:46 GMT
At some point MT adopted the practice of including the following text in their instruction letter to valuers: When providing a valuation the Valuer must bear in mind that MoneyThing lend to borrowers who are unable to obtain loans from larger mainstream lenders (which operate higher loan eligibility criteria). As a consequence, there is a greater risk of a loan default and likelihood that the valuation will be subject to real-world testing via repossession and sale of the secured asset. It is essential that valuations are provided with this in mind and that they err on the conservative side particularly where there is wider valuation bracket due to e.g. lack of information or any assumptions made. Furthermore, the Valuer must not rely on financial information or projections provided solely by the borrower. The Valuer must also appreciate that (s)he is the lender's eyes and ears on the ground and in accordance with the RICS Red Book, (s)he must report on all factors that may impact on the valuation, its reliability and the suitability of the asset for secured lending. Paul64 will you commit to including similar wording in all valuation instructions going forward? It would seem to me that this is an obvious way to put yourselves in a far stronger position to issue a claim against a valuer in the event of an errant valuation. Seems like a good start but no substitute for building up your own panel of valuers like most (all established?) other lenders.
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Post by cwah on Aug 2, 2018 11:11:29 GMT
Can't we put a clause in the valuation report and contract that if the valuation is out of the whack, then they need to pay the difference?
For example if they value a site for 1 million and it sell at £700k, then they need to come up with the difference.
There should be some accountability in the profession.
What's the point to pay for a RICS valuer if he just come up with some random numbers?
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Post by registerme on Aug 2, 2018 11:44:42 GMT
Can't we put a clause in the valuation report and contract that if the valuation is out of the whack, then they need to pay the difference? You know how much they get paid to do a valuation? Peanuts. So why would they put themselves on the hook for a penalty clause that could run into the millions?
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Post by cwah on Aug 2, 2018 11:58:11 GMT
Maybe they should get paid more and be liable.
Because to date, it seems the forum valuation are way better than any of these RICS professional.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 2, 2018 12:07:02 GMT
Depends on your definition of 'better' .. many of our 'better' valuations would result in the borrowers not getting what they wanted, and/or Ly not collecting the fees needed to pay for Yachting Jaunts / profits keeping the business afloat.
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Post by cwah on Aug 2, 2018 12:10:09 GMT
Depends on your definition of 'better' .. many of our 'better' valuations would result in the borrowers not getting what they wanted, and/or Ly not collecting the fees needed to pay for Yachting Jaunts / profits keeping the business afloat.
And resulting in investor not loosing (more) money
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 2, 2018 12:17:30 GMT
/pedant mode on, mod hat off
'loose' is not the word you were looking for. 8>. I know .. a good 30% of the forum can't tell loose from lose, which is presumably why they keep losing money.
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Post by p2plender on Aug 2, 2018 12:56:50 GMT
Always fascinates me that one, 'looseing' or maybe 'loosing' and 'losing'..
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Post by grotdog on Aug 2, 2018 13:07:28 GMT
I have pointed out to Lendy that their valuations amount to fraudulent mis-selling of loans, to the investors - they then threatened me with defamation proceedings if I dared to publicise the fact. We run a RICS accredited survey company - and most of our surveyors are RICS. All surveyors have to have PI insurance which would cover the cost of any 'mistakes or negligence'. Clearly they are either incompetent, or negligent, to value for eg a castle at over £5million, and only sell at auction for just over £1 million. Regardless of the actual numbers, the valuation is clearly wrong.
WHY does lendy refuse to tell us that they have instigated legal proceedings against the surveyor, to recover the balance. Have they instigated proceedings, and if not, why not.
The sheer number of bad loans - essentially approaching 100% - should send shock waves around the PtoP industry. I want to know how they get any form of FCA license - clearly there is no oversight of them by the FCA - even my 6 year old can see that they are incompetent - why not the FCA? What is the trigger point for action - a mass complaint by investors?
I demand that Lendy tell us what they are doing with RICS - 'discussions' are meaningless - WHAT is the RICS actually going to do, right now, about the clearly demonstrated incompetence of their surveyors? Its on a par with the clear incompetence of the valuation surveyors running around proclaiming properties are 'damp' by using damp meters that dont even measure damp, and talk about rising damp - thats never even been reproduced in a laboratory. RICS are beginning to look like a total joke of an organisation if all their surveyros can clearly be demonstrated as negligent. And its not hard to do - I've seen 3 RICS surveys this morning - all of which are negligent.
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Post by sj on Aug 2, 2018 13:13:20 GMT
What about if lenders all joined together and took them to court ourselves? Clearly Lendy are doing nothing meaningful about it, and it is not in their interests to do so anyway.
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