ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Aug 16, 2018 9:48:51 GMT
Sorry bg , doesn't stack up. If there's one instance, how about FS categorically stating and reporting to Lenders that they had visited and saw something at Whitehaven, that simply was not there? There's a word for that. What about Bankers Drafts which somehow never get processed? I am open to correction but AFAIK a Bankers Draft is as good as cash? I am very fair minded & patient, but like most on here FS have no credibility left for me, they have constantly demonstrated where they're coming from. And it's in a direction I don't want to go, I like to keep my money. . EDIT / PS - I also don't think anyone differentiates between Lendy and FS, both peas in the same grubby pod.
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Post by cwah on Aug 16, 2018 10:07:40 GMT
I'm invested in many disastrous platform like lendy and moneything. Got large amount of defaulted loans on each of them. Recovery is taking years and I don't know much will be recovered. One thing I've noticed with fundingsecure is that their valuation and LTV are not as "out of the whack" as the other platforms. They are much more conservative and that's why I prefer them for now. Sure, the FS valuations are as great as some FS employees hiding here as lenders.... Loan 2125032158 - sold at 14% of the valuation price (yes fourteen percent; 86% of the valuation evaporated) Loan 1006390523 and connected (Knaresborough), main property valued at 3.500.000 GBP and sold below 1.700.000 (net loss of 1.800.000+ for lenders, i.e. more than 50% of the evaluation gone in the wind) Shall I add more? Wind Turbine, Power Boat, Wimbledon, Whiteheaven, Barnoldswick .... are all great valuations. Yes, they are all in pole position for the FA League of mega disasters! Some of the examples shared are daughting!! That's why I'm unloading lots of my loan portfolio from funding secure. What I mean is that for some loan they don't base on GDV (like lendy), there is usually an escape after 6 months renewal and I invested much more on some London loans because I know the location and true value.
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Post by brightspark on Aug 16, 2018 10:45:25 GMT
I don't know about crisis in the platform but I am beginning to think there could be a crisis in this forum. Several posts I have read recently could have been written by p to p platform employees. If it continues it is going to be difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. Some of the guff posted recently has been utter rubbish e.g. to suggest that FS valuations are not a cause for concern reads like a Donald Trump tweet.
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bg
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Post by bg on Aug 16, 2018 11:02:15 GMT
You have a view which is coloured by a background in business finance. Those considering p to p investment in this platform can give due credence to it along with that of other experienced investors who may not share your perspective. That's fair enough. My problem at the moment is it is the same 5 or 6 posters coming out with the same comments about the same few loans (out of thousands) day after day. I think the narrative should be a bit more balanced and fair.
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Post by bg on Aug 16, 2018 11:06:08 GMT
I'm invested in many disastrous platform like lendy and moneything. Got large amount of defaulted loans on each of them. Recovery is taking years and I don't know much will be recovered. One thing I've noticed with fundingsecure is that their valuation and LTV are not as "out of the whack" as the other platforms. They are much more conservative and that's why I prefer them for now. Loan 1006390523 and connected (Knaresborough), main property valued at 3.500.000 GBP and sold below 1.700.000 (net loss of 1.800.000+ for lenders, i.e. more than 50% of the evaluation gone in the wind) I'm not sure it's even worth bothering with but it's comments like this that I feel need challenging. The loan on this property was for £625k. To say that lenders have lost £1.8m+ is just complete misinformation.
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 16, 2018 11:15:54 GMT
exactly ! Also as pointed out by Imothep there is no excuse why industry standard practices were not followed with FS maintaining security when this timber frame was or rather wasn't paid for...
I am not bothered about the "sleepers" myself and others have rattled their cages and they failed to spot it so to me ,at least, it is pretty obvious who they are. Sleepers or not the total lack of information, weasel words, possible mis-information and constant procrastination is a shocking disgrace. We have been primed for non completion of the cinema on Monday - hopefully it will go ahead...I will not by impressed if it doesn't!
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Post by coop on Aug 16, 2018 11:23:09 GMT
I am not bothered about the "sleepers" myself and others have rattled their cages and they failed to spot it so to me ,at least, it is pretty obvious who they are. This kind of skull-duggery is so commonplace on S&S messageboards I'm almost surprised it took so long to creep in here...
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Post by bg on Aug 16, 2018 11:25:41 GMT
Sorry bg , doesn't stack up. If there's one instance, how about FS categorically stating and reporting to Lenders that they had visited and saw something at Whitehaven, that simply was not there? There's a word for that. What about Bankers Drafts which somehow never get processed? I am open to correction but AFAIK a Bankers Draft is as good as cash? I am very fair minded & patient, but like most on here FS have no credibility left for me, they have constantly demonstrated where they're coming from. And it's in a direction I don't want to go, I like to keep my money. . Hi ozboy , i appreciate your point of view and you are perfectly entitled to do what you wish what your money. I am responding to comments like 'everything FS says is a lie' or nothing has happened on X, Y or Z loan and there has been no updates ever - but the loans in fact have thad receivers appointed and in some case has had the properties sold and money partially returned. Take the Llandudno loan that was cited earlier as an example. 7 of the 9 properties have now been sold with 75% of the loan returned to investors but the poster claimed FS had so far done nothing to recover their money. It's just not an accurate reflection of what is happening and it should be flagged as such. Recovery on property loans often takes months/years to play out. It's as if some people have never dealt with a lawyer or sold a house before. I think there is a difference between a prediction or reporting of something you have been told and stating something as fact. For example if a borrower tells FS we are going to repay the money next week and FS report this to us, then if the money is not paid it is not true to say FS have lied. The borrower may have but that is a different issue. With the bankers draft...FS never said they had a bankers draft, they said the equity partner claims he has received a bankers draft for funds. They may well have been lied to or misled yes and fair enough lenders being annoyed and pulling them up on this but there is a big difference between that and a lie. FS may well have been naive in some of these loans but I think some of the claims/criticisms are way over the top. Possibly but my issue is the same posters constantly barrage the FS forum with disparaging remarks (some who openly admit they not invested). Why are some of these people posting 10+ times a day on this board but never on L or MT...or maybe a platform they are actually invested in? I've got to question their motives.
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bg
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Post by bg on Aug 16, 2018 11:27:54 GMT
exactly ! Also as pointed out by Imothep there is no excuse why industry standard practices were not followed with FS mainting security when this timber frame was or rather wasn't paid for... I am not bothered about the "sleepers" myself and others have rattled their cages and they failed to spot it so to me ,at least, it is pretty obvious who they are. Sleepers or not the total lack of information, weasel words, possible mis-information and constant procrastination is a shocking disgrace. We have been primed for non completion of the cinema on Monday - hopefully it will go ahead...I will not by impressed if it doesn't! Who exactly are you accusing of being a sleeper (not that i'm exactly sure what you are implying by this)?! Interesting to know.
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Post by mrclondon on Aug 16, 2018 11:37:23 GMT
Random observation - a new £106k second charge property loan at 11% filled today in less than 30 minutes, with only 1.5 hr notice given of the go live.
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Post by ozboy on Aug 16, 2018 11:48:15 GMT
Hi bg , no point in further discussion is there, I know what you will say, and you know what I will say. I vaguely recall that in the past there have been loan/s that it has been stated by FS they were in receipt of a Bankers Draft, which subsequently never cleared, and I'm not bothered to trawl back through the postings. I am happy to be corrected if this is wrong. I definitely agree with you that conjecture etc should not be presented or couched as fact on here.
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Post by dan1 on Aug 16, 2018 12:02:02 GMT
Random observation - a new £106k second charge property loan at 11% filled today in less than 30 minutes, with only 1.5 hr notice given of the go live. I agree, it does highlight the marked drop in confidence. A year ago this loan (£106k, 2nd charge, <40% LTV, highly desirable area) would have filled in less than a minute with less notice and a bid limit.
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Post by adrian77 on Aug 16, 2018 12:23:51 GMT
not sure why you need to know this - however maybe people such as myself don't post on Lendy etc as not invested and this is due in part to reading justified comments on this forum etc about them. Personally I have a share in most loans I comment on but welcome all comments from others whether invested or not - where does it say that in order to post a comment on this discussion board you need to be invested?
I came to FS from F* Clueless as they were recommended by a forumite on their forum before they scrapped it. This forum has stopped me from investing a 6 figure sum in FS and I am very glad for the intelligent concerns that stopped me from doing this and made me realise I needed to due DD on FS before ploughing ahead - as to whether these comments were from actual investors I really don't care! Besides it would be rude to ask them for their motives.
Lunch over - back to work...
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Post by df on Aug 16, 2018 12:24:52 GMT
Random observation - a new £106k second charge property loan at 11% filled today in less than 30 minutes, with only 1.5 hr notice given of the go live. I didn't go for it because I look at FS property loans as 3 month investment opportunity at lower than advertised rate. Although the loan looks ok to me, I think being 2nd charge it will be difficult to sell it in November. Probably wrong strategy, but an attempt to reduce the risk.
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Post by bg on Aug 16, 2018 12:41:03 GMT
not sure why you need to know this - however maybe people such as myself don't post on Lendy etc as not invested and this is due in part to reading justified comments on this forum etc about them. Personally I have a share in most loans I comment on but welcome all comments from others whether invested or not - where does it say that in order to post a comment on this discussion board you need to be invested? I came to FS from F* Clueless as they were recommended by a forumite on their forum before they scrapped it. This forum has stopped me from investing a 6 figure sum in FS and I am very glad for the intelligent concerns that stopped me from doing this and made me realise I needed to due DD on FS before ploughing ahead - as to whether these comments were from actual investors I really don't care! Besides it would be rude to ask them for their motives. Lunch over - back to work... I'm really sorry adrian77 but it is you that accusing people of being "sleepers" - ie you are questioning people's motives for flagging untruths posted here. I am merely turning the question around and wondering why people who are not invested spend so much time and effort posting dozens of times a day here? Why not other platforms pages? You have been asked several times where you actually do invest but you just avoid the question. I'm not bothered either way, just making the point.
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