daveb
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Post by daveb on Sept 26, 2018 11:54:50 GMT
Sorry to ask what seems like a very basic question. When filling in the online tax return, do you just add up the P2P income from various platforms, deduct bad debt, and add the net figure to the ordinary building society/bank interest? Do they expect you to give them a breakdown of what is bank and what P2P and how much is gross P2P and how much is bad debt? Or are they happy just to have an overall net amount? Thanks
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Post by archie on Sept 26, 2018 12:02:19 GMT
Sorry to ask what seems like a very basic question. When filling in the online tax return, do you just add up the P2P income from various platforms, deduct bad debt, and add the net figure to the ordinary building society/bank interest? Do they expect you to give them a breakdown of what is bank and what P2P and how much is gross P2P and how much is bad debt? Or are they happy just to have an overall net amount? Thanks Under 'Other UK Income', guide here.
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Post by aju on Sept 28, 2018 8:55:21 GMT
In my own case I just write them a letter detailing all my items taxed and non taxed. Mostly they adjust my tax on a returning P800 but this year my tax was less than a nominal amount so they made no adjustments. In fact I think I was £10 down on the deal.
So in my case they accept my letter after they already have most of the info, pension received with tax paid. Mostly its investments and details of all my bank accounts. The main unpaid part has been P2P investments and shares investments etc. This year however with the changes to dividend tax rules and also my redirection of my investments into ISA the amounts are dwindling. I usually inform HMRC of most changes during the year using their website to make declarations. It corrects tax payments through the year much quicker.
Mrs AJU though has similar setup with a pension but has no tax liability, she claims back incorrect tax payments using the HMRC website (the old form is now online). When she first retired we used the same method as myself but as hers was a lot simpler they refused the letter method and forced the overpaid tax claim form approach.
Not much help but gives another perspective on working with HMRC.
Next years for me should be a simpler case as my tax should not need to be altered, however as it takes very little to work out the items and provide the info by letter, rather than a full blown return I shall offer it up and see what they say.
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Post by moonraker on Jun 6, 2019 18:08:14 GMT
Sorry to ask what seems like a very basic question. When filling in the online tax return, do you just add up the P2P income from various platforms, deduct bad debt, and add the net figure to the ordinary building society/bank interest? Do they expect you to give them a breakdown of what is bank and what P2P and how much is gross P2P and how much is bad debt? Or are they happy just to have an overall net amount? Thanks Under 'Other UK Income', guide here. Each year I struggle to work out how/where to include my P2P income on my on-line tax return. (It seems simpler if filing a paper return using form SA101.)
I've located a form within my on-line tax return on the lines of the following:
Other UK income not included on supplementary pages
You have said that you received other income in the tax year April 6 2018 to April 5 2019. Please complete the following questions.
Other taxable income - before expenses and tax taken off:
Total amount of allowable expenses:
Tax taken off income:
Is the form to use for my P2P income and do I enter a Bad Debt as an "allowable expense"? And presumably I add the £13.12 of "Capital recovered from bad debt that qualified for tax relief [in a previous year]" to my P2P gross income for 2018-19?
At the bottom of the form is a box, with the title: "Description of other taxable income deemed income or benefits" and this, again presumably, is where I name my two P2P providers and give a breakdown of the figures that I've already entered?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 6, 2019 20:00:31 GMT
Under 'Other UK Income', guide here. Each year I struggle to work out how/where to include my P2P income on my on-line tax return. (It seems simpler if filing a paper return using form SA101.)
I've located a form within my on-line tax return on the lines of the following:
Other UK income not included on supplementary pages
You have said that you received other income in the tax year April 6 2018 to April 5 2019. Please complete the following questions.
Other taxable income - before expenses and tax taken off:
Total amount of allowable expenses:
Tax taken off income:
Is the form to use for my P2P income and do I enter a Bad Debt as an "allowable expense"? And presumably I add the £13.12 of "Capital recovered from bad debt that qualified for tax relief [in a previous year]" to my P2P gross income for 2018-19?
At the bottom of the form is a box, with the title: "Description of other taxable income deemed income or benefits" and this, again presumably, is where I name my two P2P providers and give a breakdown of the figures that I've already entered?
P2P income goes under other income -OEICS, gilts etc. First box that's comes up when you get to that section IIRC. You enter the net figure of interest - capital losses being claimed + any previously claimed losses that have been recovered. Yes you can add notes to the form but it is not required. Just make sure you have your own records in case of query
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Post by moonraker on Jun 7, 2019 6:23:57 GMT
... Yes you can add notes to the form but it is not required... Thanks. HMRC has presented me with a Beta version to fill in, which appears slightly different to last year's form. At the moment I've entered figures against the questions I mentioned in my previous post but have not yet added notes to the form - so I'm getting an admonition in big red letters: "There is an entry in 'Other taxable income...' and/or 'Benefit from pre-owned assets'. Please complete 'Description of...'." And immediately above the box: "ERROR: Please check and amend the entry below."
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2019 9:44:03 GMT
moonraker. Just had chance to look at SA form & I'm pretty sure the form you quoted isn't the correct page. When you go to the other income section there should be a set of boxes listing different types of income & you select the ones you have. For P2P income tick the top box (interest from gilt edge securities ...) that will then bring up the relevant page where you can enter the amount before tax (interest -capital gains+ recoveries from previous claims) in the bottom box (UK platforms only - euro go elsewhere I think) Help sheet is here (only place P2P entry is mentioned) assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/795245/Additional_information_notes__2019_.pdf
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Post by moonraker on Jun 7, 2019 19:42:08 GMT
Thanks for that, particularly the link to the Additional Information - something that had eluded me as I cast around for guidance.
I hope that I may be forgiven for failing to realise that P2P was hidden away in the category "Interest from gilt edge and other UK securities, deeply discounted securities and accrued income profits". I would have thought that it deserved a mention.
Still, the latest form is a Beta version and comments are invited, so I'll raise this with HMRC.
Thanks again.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 7, 2019 20:46:12 GMT
Thanks for that, particularly the link to the Additional Information - something that had eluded me as I cast around for guidance.
I hope that I may be forgiven for failing to realise that P2P was hidden away in the category "Interest from gilt edge and other UK securities, deeply discounted securities and accrued income profits". I would have thought that it deserved a mention.
Still, the latest form is a Beta version and comments are invited, so I'll raise this with HMRC.
Thanks again.
To be fair to HMRC it is stated on the HMRC peer to peer guidance page www.gov.uk/guidance/peer-to-peer-lending
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Post by zlb on Jan 9, 2020 10:00:37 GMT
If I have negative income owing to Lendy and Bondmason, do I really have to put this on a tax return alongside my paltry savings interest? Working out how negative with Lendy is a nuisance, given that my gross earnings are way under the £1k limit.
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Post by cb25 on Jan 9, 2020 10:38:22 GMT
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Post by zlb on Jan 9, 2020 11:28:16 GMT
Thanks, but no, it's wiped out any other interest - counting Lendy's loans as kindly shared but not advised by ilmoro once, it's £71. Now that Lendy are in admin, it seems absurd to bother working it out.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 10, 2020 0:27:40 GMT
If I have negative income owing to Lendy and Bondmason, do I really have to put this on a tax return alongside my paltry savings interest? Working out how negative with Lendy is a nuisance, given that my gross earnings are way under the £1k limit. First confirm Bondmason is eligible for loss relief as they are recievables not P2P loans so probably dont count under SAIM 12000 criteria - probably need to be entered elsewhere. If you are negative after Lendy (BM if eligible) then I dont think you need to enter anything but I would put a note stating that your interest minus loss relief is zero and you will be carrying forward relief. Alternatively, just claim loans to take income to zero and forego the rest. ( It is unclear at what point you have to claim loans but in theory if you dont claim under 'treatable' criteria then they will be subsequently eligible when Lendy define them as having 'become' irrecoverable somewhere down the line). Usual caveats apply - not advice, seek advice etc.
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Post by mj87 on Jan 10, 2020 10:48:05 GMT
Hello,
Just wanted to clarify from HMRC guidance.
1. P2P losses can only be claimed against P2P Gains and no other type of income ie from stocks and shares, or interest from cash
2. The capital and potential interest can both be claimed as a loss against P2P income?
3. I can carry forward P2P Losses forward to another financial year but is there a limit on how much or how many years back you can claim.?
Is my understanding correct.
thanks
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 10, 2020 11:14:24 GMT
Hello, Just wanted to clarify from HMRC guidance. 1. P2P losses can only be claimed against P2P Gains and no other type of income ie from stocks and shares, or interest from cash 2. The capital and potential interest can both be claimed as a loss against P2P income? 3. I can carry forward P2P Losses forward to another financial year but is there a limit on how much or how many years back you can claim.? Is my understanding correct. thanks Nice idea but I don't think so.
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