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Post by registerme on Apr 11, 2019 12:51:46 GMT
And if you're looking for lies, how about George Osborne saying if we vote leave we will need am emergency budget A budget is simply the way the government responds to changing circumstances and priorities. So I don't think it unreasonable of a Chancellor saying that Brexit might present such a situation. That having been said let's, for the sake of argument, say I accept that Osbourne's emergency budget (perhaps more specifically his comments about a £30b black hole?) were a lie. How do you think it compares with the following:- "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want" - Michael Gove. "The Free Trade Agreement that we will do with the European Union should be one of the easiest deals in human history" - Liam Fox. "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" - David Davis. "If we vote leave on June 23 we can take back control of £350m a week and spend it on our priorities here in this country including on the National Health Service" - Boris Johnson. Arrangements on the Irish border (would be left) "absolutely unchanged" - Boris Johnson.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 11, 2019 13:17:05 GMT
It clearly wasn't a lie, since Osborne would undoubtedly have held such a budget had he remained chancellor.
But, as it was, Osborne and Cameron both resigned a fortnight after the referendum. Any post-referendum budget was then Hammond's decision once May had appointed him - and he made the decision to wait until the scheduled November budget. That November budget then reflected a negative change in various forecasts since March, including a £120bn (over 5yrs) hit to government finances as a direct result of the referendum.
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Post by registerme on Apr 11, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 11, 2019 20:38:55 GMT
Bet you they didn't spend £9m on a leaflet to every household though. 😁
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Post by agent69 on Apr 11, 2019 20:43:37 GMT
It clearly wasn't a lie, since Osborne would undoubtedly have held such a budget had he remained chancellor.
Is this just speculation, or do you have a hot line to No 11?
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Post by agent69 on Apr 11, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
How do you think it compares with the following:- "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want" - Michael Gove. "The Free Trade Agreement that we will do with the European Union should be one of the easiest deals in human history" - Liam Fox. "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" - David Davis. "If we vote leave on June 23 we can take back control of £350m a week and spend it on our priorities here in this country including on the National Health Service" - Boris Johnson. Arrangements on the Irish border (would be left) "absolutely unchanged" - Boris Johnson. In the order listed:
- Gove - clearly an exageration, but it hasn't helped that the cards we do hold (the cash and the threat of no deal) have been undermined by Mrs Balls (and her spineless cohort) who appear intent in not only telling the EU what cards we have, but also when we will play them.
- Fox - this remains to be seen, given we haven't got to the trade discussions yet
- Davis - away with the faries
- Johnson (1) - I assume this is true in principal (not certain about the quantum)
- Johnson (2) - Also true
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Post by martin44 on Apr 11, 2019 21:27:08 GMT
Bet you they didn't spend £9m on a leaflet to every household though. 😁 I should hope not, the population is only 8.5 million.
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Post by james100 on Apr 12, 2019 6:51:39 GMT
I see the Brexit Party has been launched. Will be interesting to see how that goes: thebrexitparty.com
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Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2019 7:03:24 GMT
I see the Brexit Party has been launched. Will be interesting to see how that goes: thebrexitparty.comOh, now that is truly delicious... (Follow the link, FarridgeFans!)
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Post by agent69 on Apr 12, 2019 8:18:20 GMT
I see the Brexit Party has been launched. Will be interesting to see how that goes: thebrexitparty.comIf we end uptaking part in the EU elections it will be interesting to see how things develop. Either:
- All time low turn out representing the fact that the masses are fed up with politicians, or
- 17.4m vote for Farage, as his is the only party realy committed to leaving, or
- There will be a rush towards remain candidates as peolple have decided they would rather stay.
In a strange way the EU elections could be the second referendum that many have asked for.
As a side note, does anyone know what their MEP actually does (other that receive a salary, and rack up expenses)?
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Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2019 8:30:46 GMT
As a side note, does anyone know what their MEP actually does (other that receive a salary, and rack up expenses)? Well, that perfectly describes what the UKIP MEPs do whilst wasting a third of the UK's voting power... The job of an elected MEP is to be the "unelected bureaucrat" doing all those things we were repeatedly told that the UK can't do - shaping European laws via committees and amendments, and voting on them. Just like Westminster, really. www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/your-meps/what_do_they_do.htmlThere's 73 UK MEPs, representing a dozen regions (Scotland/Wales/NI are one each, England is split into nine), elected by party list, with between 3 and 10 MEPs per region depending on population. There's a total of 750 MEPs in the European Parliament, so the UK has about 10% of the voting power.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 12, 2019 9:46:30 GMT
I see the Brexit Party has been launched. Will be interesting to see how that goes: thebrexitparty.comand the real one for those who are interested: thebrexitparty.org/ (though the spoof one is probably the funnier of the two)
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Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2019 13:21:20 GMT
I see the Brexit Party has been launched. Will be interesting to see how that goes: thebrexitparty.comand the real one for those who are interested: thebrexitparty.org/ (though the spoof one is probably the funnier of the two) Crikey, but they could do with a good proof-read... And one of the candidates "spent years fighting for the rights of British fisherman", eh? Pity Farridge couldn't be bothered to turn up to any meetings when he was actually on the fisheries committee... But it's OK, they've got a Rees-Mogg. "We are the only party fighting to save Brexit"? Oh, I dunno. There's always the kippers. And, tbf, a good proportion of the Tories are fighting themselves over it.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 12, 2019 13:54:51 GMT
Of course we are only where we are today because Cameron was worried that the kippers would split the Tory vote and lose him an election, when in fact they were more of a genuine threat in Labour constituencies than Tory.
So its going to be particularly fun to watch who wins and who loses in a 3 way kipper, BrexitParty, Tory vote splitting situation.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2019 14:31:43 GMT
Of course we are only where we are today because Cameron was worried that the kippers would split the Tory vote and lose him an election, when in fact they were more of a genuine threat in Labour constituencies than Tory. I dunno. What Cameron was most worried about was not the electorate's votes, but half the party doing a Carswell/Reckless and going kipper en masse. That simply got delayed a bit... and is probably still just around the corner, albeit following Farridge to his absolutely-definitely-not-single-issue-at-all Brexit Party, rather than the Batten/Tummy Rubbinson rump of ukip. Indeed! I fear the kippers' brand value hasn't been properly trashed in the minds of many yet, through ceasing to be vaguely covert about their bigotry. The Brexit Party got off to a good start on continuing that tradition, with Catherine Blaiklock.
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