Steerpike
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Post by Steerpike on Dec 17, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
It appears that quite a lot of folk are signing the petition to "Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019", so it seems that not all of those who voted to leave have died yet then.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 17, 2018 20:36:52 GMT
It appears that quite a lot of folk are signing the petition to "Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019", so it seems that not all of those who voted to leave have died yet then. Who says only the older generation want to leave. However why should the younger generation break with their traditions and vote at all. They do seem to believe you can get everything for free with no effort paid for by the “Rich Pensioners “ as promised by JC junior and his mesmerised followers.
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Post by Steerpike on Dec 18, 2018 9:10:10 GMT
It appears that quite a lot of folk are signing the petition to "Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019", so it seems that not all of those who voted to leave have died yet then. Who says only the older generation want to leave. Embittered remainers.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 18, 2018 13:29:14 GMT
Those that want another referendum want it to be fixed in their favour.
What would the question be ?
It should be the same as last time in or out.
Anything else tries to take advantage by offering TM plan or in.
Some who want to leave without a deal may not vote.
There is no scenario where anything other than in or out is not advantageous to those who want to remain they will always vote to remain so there is no chance of their vote going down.
By offering anything else the only effect would be on leave voters who may not vote as there is no certainty of exactly what will happen and we won’t for several years.
The only comprises is go out now as was the result and stay out as option one Option two go out now and have another vote in 20years after things have settled and EU probably in chaos.
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Post by dandy on Dec 18, 2018 14:19:37 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting.
A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default
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Post by cb25 on Dec 18, 2018 14:35:04 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting. A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default That wouldn't go down well with Leavers, who'd complain it was biased, 2 Leave options splitting the Leave vote, 1 Remain option.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 18, 2018 14:49:05 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting. A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default That wouldn't go down well with Leavers, who'd complain it was biased, 2 Leave options splitting the Leave vote, 1 Remain option. And who would explain May's deal so that no one would say afterwards, 'I didn't think it meant that, I want another referendum!'. And if remain wins leavers will argue that it's not decisive it just makes it one each, let's go for best of three now...
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Post by Godanubis on Dec 18, 2018 15:00:29 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting. A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default The only way that would work was if it was as in Scotland 🏴 Proportional representation scoring each option on first,second,third choice. That however rarely gives an overall majority.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 18, 2018 15:17:03 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting. A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default The only way that would work was if it was as in Scotland 🏴 Proportional representation scoring each option on first,second,third choice. That however rarely gives an overall majority. Tories don't like that AV system which is why they campaigned against it in the last referendum but one. I think they are likely to run remain against the May Deal only. Just as they thought the people were too thick to rank 1, 2 and 3 instead of putting a tick, they won't trust you to vote the May deal, which is what you are supposed to do.
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Post by dandy on Dec 18, 2018 15:22:53 GMT
I am against a second referendum but if there were to be one I think the only logical method would be to offer 3 choices with mandatory 1st/2nd preference so in effect two rounds of counting. A - No deal B - May deal C - Remain Nothing else would be even vaguely plausible. However this would give May deal a very big advantage as almost all 'Remainers' and 'no deal'ers' would choose May deal as second preference. It does however feel right that the compromise between hard and nothing would almost certainly have to win by default That wouldn't go down well with Leavers, who'd complain it was biased, 2 Leave options splitting the Leave vote, 1 Remain option. It isn't splitting the leave vote because at least one leave vote would be in the final two - and then the votes are re-counted to ensure the leave vote isn't split and that a minority cant win
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Post by dandy on Dec 18, 2018 15:24:13 GMT
The only way that would work was if it was as in Scotland 🏴 Proportional representation scoring each option on first,second,third choice. That however rarely gives an overall majority. Tories don't like that AV system which is why they campaigned against it in the last referendum but one. I think they are likely to run remain against the May Deal only. Just as they thought the people were too thick to rank 1, 2 and 3 instead of putting a tick, they won't trust you to vote the May deal, which is what you are supposed to do. That was in relation to GE voting. All ref's are proportional representation anyway.
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Post by cb25 on Dec 18, 2018 15:34:47 GMT
That wouldn't go down well with Leavers, who'd complain it was biased, 2 Leave options splitting the Leave vote, 1 Remain option. It isn't splitting the leave vote because at least one leave vote would be in the final two - and then the votes are re-counted to ensure the leave vote isn't split and that a minority cant win Having a second referendum in any form would cause a massive loss of confidence in the democratic process. Voters wanted Leave (albeit by a small percentage), MPs - who are massively pro-Remain - are trying to stop that.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 18, 2018 15:38:48 GMT
I don't think us lot on a sub-thread of an investment forum are suddenly going to hit on an all-pleasing solution to the current conundrum.
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Post by Proptechfish on Dec 18, 2018 15:42:06 GMT
I don't think us lot on a sub-thread of an investment forum are suddenly going to hit on an all-pleasing solution to the current conundrum. Why not ? Somebody's got to come up with a solution somewhere, and it's unlikely it will come from the so called 'expert' politicians.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 18, 2018 16:14:06 GMT
I don't think us lot on a sub-thread of an investment forum are suddenly going to hit on an all-pleasing solution to the current conundrum. Why not ? Somebody's got to come up with a solution somewhere, and it's unlikely it will come from the so called 'expert' politicians. This reminds me of the foreword of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where a woman in a corner shop suddenly realises the meaning of life and everything. And a second later is vapourised along with the whole planet to make way for a new interplanitary highway.
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