IFISAcava
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 21, 2019 18:00:06 GMT
Remind me what type of leave have we settled on? Or are we back to "Brexit means Brexit"? The country voted to leave with no deal (unless a deal that is backed by parliament is found). That is what was voted for and that is what MPs also voted for when triggering A50. AND yes brexit does indeed mean brexit - it certainly does not mean remoan I respectfully disagree (as I think do most MPs).
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Post by registerme on Jan 21, 2019 18:00:20 GMT
I do like the one below it of the football song with the two girls That'll be based on your search history . EDIT: I should add that I got Jacob Reese Mog and Andrew Neil. I think I would have your end of the deal.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 21, 2019 18:01:51 GMT
People are unhappy now with all that has transpired since 2016 Then they should have given more thought to how they voted in 2016.
And how do you think the majority of the 17m that voted leave will feel if we end up staying. I suspect unhappy will be a considerable understatement
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Post by agent69 on Jan 21, 2019 18:06:01 GMT
Or are we back to "Brexit means Brexit"? A statement of the obvious?
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Post by Nomad on Jan 21, 2019 18:06:53 GMT
I do like the one below it of the football song with the two girls That'll be based on your search history . EDIT: I should add that I got Jacob Reese Mog and Andrew Neil. I think I would have your end of the deal. I got "Trump Is Losing the Shutdown Fight".
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Post by agent69 on Jan 21, 2019 18:11:45 GMT
As a matter of interest, does anyone know the precise legal mechanism for revoking article 50?
A couple of years ago TM sent a letter to the EU to say we are leaving, so I assume she would need to send a similar letter to say we wanted to stay. Given she doesn't appear minded to do this, can parliment force her to do so? If so how?
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 21, 2019 18:36:43 GMT
I do like the one below it of the football song with the two girls That'll be based on your search history . EDIT: I should add that I got Jacob Reese Mog and Andrew Neil. I think I would have your end of the deal. Ah no, the link is below Duck's video, I have edited the post since, it goes to Euro News.
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Post by cb25 on Jan 21, 2019 18:44:17 GMT
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 21, 2019 18:57:51 GMT
People are unhappy now with all that has transpired since 2016 Then they should have given more thought to how they voted in 2016.
And how do you think the majority of the 17m that voted leave will feel if we end up staying. I suspect unhappy will be a considerable understatement
If they are still a majority when we have a vote on the actual plans, they'll be very content. If they are now in the minority then they will have to - er, let me see how it was tactfully put in 2016 - get over it because they lost. And frankly - they can't have given more thought in 2016 to what has happened since 2016 because it hadn't happened then! The predictions during the campaign were for the easiest deal in human history, us holding all the cards, them needing a deal more than us, Germans lining up to do bilateral deal with us to sell cars, etc etc. None of that has happened.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 21, 2019 19:00:38 GMT
Or are we back to "Brexit means Brexit"? A statement of the obvious? No - a meaningless and tautological soundbite from an incompetent and inadequate PM.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 21, 2019 19:52:02 GMT
Thanks for the link.
So the answer is nobody knows for certain, and it will probably get sorted out in court (and all by 29th March).
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Post by agent69 on Jan 21, 2019 19:53:36 GMT
Then they should have given more thought to how they voted in 2016.
And how do you think the majority of the 17m that voted leave will feel if we end up staying. I suspect unhappy will be a considerable understatement
The predictions during the campaign were all made by politicians, and if you believe them you deserve all you get
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Post by michaelc on Jan 22, 2019 3:10:34 GMT
Sadly, it is neither a joke nor a "troll" as they say. I would give your opinion more respect than using the adjectives you have applied to mine although I do understand that because I was using my phone at the time, I wasn't able to write much more than I did. In my opinion, what is happening right now is far more important than leave/remain or any other issue. It goes to the heart of what this nation has been for a very long time - democratic. It has frankly amazed me that so many politicians and members of society seem to have put the issue of the day as more important than the democratic process itself. Parliment is indeed sovereign and can largely do as it wishes including changing past decisions but it is not a collective dictator. It is answerable to the people. I truly believe that if some parliamentarians believe the issue of the day is more important than the democratic process and are plotting a silent coup the PM may have few options. If push comes to shove, then yes government should prevent such a coup by force if it comes to it. Whatever are you suggesting michaelc ? That the 400 or so weasel MPs scheming against the electorate are taken away in the back of some police vans and replaced with honorable servants of the people? I'll contribute at least a few shillings ... Not quite so drastic - just, as a democratic backstop if you like, a mechanism to prevent them entering the chamber until the start of April. I do recognize that most would consider that an incredible measure for a country like ours, but the possible constitutional events that might take place are so serious they may necessitate it.
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Post by captainconfident on Jan 22, 2019 10:52:33 GMT
Brexit has at least encouraged some very good journalism recently. Fintan O'Toole of The Irish TImes talking about The Sun's "Brextinction" dodo image:- "For all of this is the afterlife of dead things. One of them is Brexit itself. When did Brextinction occur? On 24 June 2016. The project was driven by decades of camped-up mendacity about the tyranny of the EU, and sold in the referendum as a fantasy of national liberation. It simply could not survive contact with reality. It died the moment it became real. You cannot free yourself from imaginary oppression. Even if May were a political genius – and let us concede that she is not – Brexit was always going to come down to a choice between two evils: the heroic but catastrophic failure of crashing out; or the unheroic but less damaging failure of swapping first-class for second-class EU membership. These are the real afterlives of a departed reverie.(---) What we see with the lid off and the fog of fantasies at last beginning to dissipate is the truth that Brexit is much less about Britain’s relationship with the EU than it is about Britain’s relationship with itself. It is the projection outwards of an inner turmoil. An archaic political system had carried on even while its foundations in a collective sense of belonging were crumbling. Brexit in one way alone has done a real service: it has forced the old system to play out its death throes in public. The spectacle is ugly, but at least it shows that a fissiparous four-nation state cannot be governed without radical social and constitutional change.(---) European leaders have continually expressed exasperation that the British have really been negotiating not with them, but with each other. But perhaps it is time to recognise that there is a useful truth in this: Brexit is really just the vehicle that has delivered a fraught state to a place where it can no longer pretend to be a settled and functioning democracy.www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/18/europe-brexit-britain-state-politics-fit-for-purpose?
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Post by registerme on Jan 22, 2019 17:39:58 GMT
This is interesting re the prospect of a hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland. I'm not sure what to make of it.
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