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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 11:27:20 GMT
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Post by registerme on Feb 1, 2019 12:45:26 GMT
Just checking, but you were being ironic about that too?
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 13:40:18 GMT
Not at all ironic. I work in an industry that imports and exports goods, and the Japanese versions of these products are highly interesting (and exotic) to our customers, and vice versa. So we will get product onto the shelves in Japan which is competitively price compared to that made in Japan.
While we began as a specialist in UK products selling into the EU, our company has moved wholly to Netherlands as a result of Brexit uncertainty and will simply deal in EU product imp/ex if Brexit places a duty or constrains by problems of product conformity our UK produced goods. I now live wholly on the European mainland and have taken a second nationality. I don't regret this and it is a positive result, for me, of Brexit.
The EU-Japan trade deal is a fact and the damage to the UK economy from Brexit is also a fact. Good luck in the faith based world that Britain is heading for. I'm really sorry to write all this but Brexit is not a game where you pick a side and cheer for it. It plays with real peoples jobs and has the potential intensify the poverty that apparently is partly to blame for the decision.
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Post by registerme on Feb 1, 2019 13:49:25 GMT
No real argument with any of that. The reason I asked was because you said a UK trade deal with Japan when in fact it's an EU one....
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 13:55:14 GMT
Well, it's our trade deal too. 57 days. I was wondering if we could get a container filled in the UK and dispatched and arriving in Japan in time. I can see it making the headlines if the ship is racing for Osaka with the clock ticking.
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Post by Steerpike on Feb 1, 2019 13:59:02 GMT
My understanding of the EU position is "you have requested to leave but you can't, either NI remains in the EU or the whole of the UK does, your choice".
As far as I can tell the argument of those that agree with the EU is that if we do not obey the EU Brexit Directive there will be widespread shortages, prices will go up on everything, no one will invest in the UK, the outcome will be a catastrophe, and the UK will sink into the North Sea observed by saddened and wise, tanned, healthy, wealthy, and peaceful Europersons.
Clearly the EU is heavily invested in making it difficult for the UK to leave on reasonable terms because there are very real concerns that others might follow and/or that the additional costs to be paid by the remaining net contributors may severely and negatively impact sentiment towards the EU, particularly in Germany.
Therefore it seems clear that declarations and predictions made by the EU and many of their supporters cannot be relied upon, after all they would say that wouldn't they?
Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain, immediate changes to our tariff and taxation rules, changes both good and bad to investment patterns in the medium term, a greater involvement with and freedom to interact with the wider world, the right to make our own laws and elect our own leaders (and yes some of them will be rubbish).
No one, not even Gideon, Phil, Mark, or Nostradamus can say for certain what the long term impact will be, however, we do know that the UK voted to leave and Parliament voted overwhelmingly to make that happen.
Not everyone believes in or wants ever closer union, freedom of movement, fiscal and regulatory alignment, and being ruled by unsackable eureaucrats leading us in to the promised land of Europia.
Having said all that, it does look as if "Yvette and The Blairies" may soon be topping the charts with "We came in like Mrs Wrecking Balls", let's hope that the walls don't fall down around us.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 14:13:50 GMT
This tale of "EU Brexit Directive" is so blatantly false that I feel demeaned actually having to type the phrase. I can't dignify it with an answer. "Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain,..." So we are supposed to stake our actual future on the suspicions and guesses that it will all be alright in the end. Faith based rubbish. What about actual peoples jobs and companies? I suggest to you, Steerpike , that you are a pensioner on a final salary pension scheme with no skin in the game. And "tied to the apron strings"? ? the apron strings are the rules of the Single Market which facilitate half our trade. Or is there a single other EU regulation you can think of that you genuinely object to, enough to stake other peoples livelihoods on?
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Post by registerme on Feb 1, 2019 14:17:13 GMT
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Post by Steerpike on Feb 1, 2019 14:39:11 GMT
This tale of "EU Brexit Directive" is so blatantly false that I feel demeaned actually having to type the phrase. I can't dignify it with an answer. "Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain,..." So we are supposed to stake our actual future on the suspicions and guesses that it will all be alright in the end. Faith based rubbish. What about actual peoples jobs and companies? I suggest to you, Steerpike , that you are a pensioner on a final salary pension scheme with no skin in the game. Clearly, we all have skin in the game, not just those with whom you share an opinion, it is not pertinent to the discussion and is certainly none of your business "Mystic Cap'n", but I am not retired and I am not a member of a final salary pension scheme.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 14:44:31 GMT
Well, Steerpike, I told you the reason that I'm here spamming up this forum at 14.30 on a Friday afternoon. Is it your day off? I'll be back at work on Monday, honest.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 1, 2019 15:49:15 GMT
My understanding of the EU position is "you have requested to leave but you can't, either NI remains in the EU or the whole of the UK does, your choice".As far as I can tell the argument of those that agree with the EU is that if we do not obey the EU Brexit Directive there will be widespread shortages, prices will go up on everything, no one will invest in the UK, the outcome will be a catastrophe, and the UK will sink into the North Sea observed by saddened and wise, tanned, healthy, wealthy, and peaceful Europersons. Clearly the EU is heavily invested in making it difficult for the UK to leave on reasonable terms because there are very real concerns that others might follow and/or that the additional costs to be paid by the remaining net contributors may severely and negatively impact sentiment towards the EU, particularly in Germany. Therefore it seems clear that declarations and predictions made by the EU and many of their supporters cannot be relied upon, after all they would say that wouldn't they? Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain, immediate changes to our tariff and taxation rules, changes both good and bad to investment patterns in the medium term, a greater involvement with and freedom to interact with the wider world, the right to make our own laws and elect our own leaders (and yes some of them will be rubbish). No one, not even Gideon, Phil, Mark, or Nostradamus can say for certain what the long term impact will be, however, we do know that the UK voted to leave and Parliament voted overwhelmingly to make that happen. Not everyone believes in or wants ever closer union, freedom of movement, fiscal and regulatory alignment, and being ruled by unsackable eureaucrats leading us in to the promised land of Europia. Having said all that, it does look as if "Yvette and The Blairies" may soon be topping the charts with "We came in like Mrs Wrecking Balls", let's hope that the walls don't fall down around us. Not quite - we have requested to leave with certain red lines that mean the Good Friday Agreement, to which we all signed up, would be broken unless we agree on a suitable way to keep the border open. If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. Or renegotiate the GFA, but that's another red line. We boxed ourselves in, not the EU.
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Post by Steerpike on Feb 1, 2019 16:53:34 GMT
Well, Steerpike , I told you the reason that I'm here spamming up this forum at 14.30 on a Friday afternoon. Is it your day off? I'll be back at work on Monday, honest. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was busy writing software that enables exports from the UK to New Zealand, I do most of my programming from home and I have flexibility with my working hours. Your interest in my personal circumstances is starting to get a little but creepy.
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Post by travolta on Feb 1, 2019 17:02:06 GMT
Frankly 99% of Brexit stories on the BBC are ridiculous scaremongering and often make no logical sense. The latest one I see is "Cherry tomatoes could cost 10% more 'within a week of Brexit'" due to tariffs and more paperwork/border delays. This makes no sense. Why would the UK government want to impose tariffs on tomatoes? To protect the massive contribution the UK tomato growing industry makes to our economy?? Why isn't the story "UK retailers look to Egypt (or wherever) for cheaper tomatoes after Brexit as government vows to cut unessessary tomato tax" or "Spanish tomato growers in trouble now that the significant UK market can buy tomatoes at world prices (and hence will be lobbying to the EU for a free trade deal with the UK on 30th March)." As to the border delays ... paperwork or inspections will be under purview of the UK customs and/or ports authorities. The government can just say "no inspections required" on Spanish tomatoes and the problem doesn't exist. The problem with the BBC is that it's pumping out so many of these scare stories for a remain agenda that people start to believe them. There hasn't as far as I'm aware been a single story promoting the benefits of importing tariff free from outside the EU come March 30th if no deal happens. That reminds me time to pop the veggie seeds in for starting them off to beat the Brexit blues. Good old British war time spirit let’s all dig for victory against the EU tyrants . Some of us have been growing veg all our lives. I feel strongly that everyone should have the option of an allotment. An that's going waay baack to sub enfeoffe . Damn those Normans …..
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Post by travolta on Feb 1, 2019 17:38:50 GMT
This tale of "EU Brexit Directive" is so blatantly false that I feel demeaned actually having to type the phrase. I can't dignify it with an answer. "Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain,..." So we are supposed to stake our actual future on the suspicions and guesses that it will all be alright in the end. Faith based rubbish. What about actual peoples jobs and companies? I suggest to you, Steerpike , that you are a pensioner on a final salary pension scheme with no skin in the game. And "tied to the apron strings"? ? the apron strings are the rules of the Single Market which facilitate half our trade. Or is there a single other EU regulation you can think of that you genuinely object to, enough to stake other peoples livelihoods on? Your tragedy (and I feel your pain ,and that of the BBC ,if they didn't bang on about it so much) is that you feel you have something to lose, where as we have it all to gain.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 17:58:00 GMT
This tale of "EU Brexit Directive" is so blatantly false that I feel demeaned actually having to type the phrase. I can't dignify it with an answer. "Ignoring the noise, one suspects that a Brexit that does not mean being tied to the apron strings of the EU will involve significant short term disruption, some temporary inconvenience and pain,..." So we are supposed to stake our actual future on the suspicions and guesses that it will all be alright in the end. Faith based rubbish. What about actual peoples jobs and companies? I suggest to you, Steerpike , that you are a pensioner on a final salary pension scheme with no skin in the game. And "tied to the apron strings"? ? the apron strings are the rules of the Single Market which facilitate half our trade. Or is there a single other EU regulation you can think of that you genuinely object to, enough to stake other peoples livelihoods on? Your tragedy (and I feel your pain ,and that of the BBC ,if they didn't bang on about it so much) is that you feel you have something to lose, where as we have it all to gain. I think you misunderstand. I'm a Belgian now and my company is in NL. Ik ben een anderen taal an het leren. I have discovered that I now have a really lovely, stirring National Anthem. I can move to and live in any other EU country I like and my passport will let me cruise effortlessly through all borders, including the UK. I couldn't be happier. However, I don't have any reservations in calling out the airy bullshit with which people who want to leave the EU dismiss the long term harm that any objective person would perceive is about to occur to the jobs and standards of living in the country I love.
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