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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 18:02:34 GMT
Well, Steerpike , I told you the reason that I'm here spamming up this forum at 14.30 on a Friday afternoon. Is it your day off? I'll be back at work on Monday, honest. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was busy writing software that enables exports from the UK to New Zealand, I do most of my programming from home and I have flexibility with my working hours. Your interest in my personal circumstances is starting to get a little but creepy. Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required from a bedroom freelancer, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU.
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Post by one21 on Feb 1, 2019 18:07:56 GMT
Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was busy writing software that enables exports from the UK to New Zealand, I do most of my programming from home and I have flexibility with my working hours. Your interest in my personal circumstances is starting to get a little but creepy. Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. Perhaps we could export English Lamb to New Zealand!
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Post by agent69 on Feb 1, 2019 18:16:20 GMT
Some of us have been growing veg all our lives.
They said on TV last week that we grow 70% of our own veg. If we were to stop throwing so much away the shortfall would be significantly less.
I just can't get too worked up by the thought that there may be a shortage of aubergines after brexit.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 1, 2019 18:17:28 GMT
Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. Perhaps we could export English Lamb to New Zealand! "Lord Blackadder, I have a cunning plan"
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Post by dan1 on Feb 1, 2019 18:32:50 GMT
Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. Perhaps we could export English Lamb to New Zealand! There are interesting parallels between what happened to NZ when the Britain joined EEC in 1973 with what may happen to the UK and for that matter Ireland when/if we leave the EU. Worth a Google if you're interested. I should put in a good word for Welsh Lamb! Something to balance the import of Warren Gatland
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Post by agent69 on Feb 1, 2019 18:39:41 GMT
If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. We are legally entitled to leave the EU, and if this causes an issue at the border it is as much an EU problem to solve as ours (maybe the people that drafted the GF agreement should have thought of this)
If we leave the customs union the EU says that NI must remain and we have customs checks carried out on good entering NI from the rest of the UK. As an alternative, how about the Irish republic remaining in a customs union with the UK and customs checks are carried out on EU goods entering the Irish republic? This shouldn't be aproblem for the EU, as all would go back to normal once the trade deal is signed (which the EU say is bound to happen, hence their stance that we don't need to worry about the backstop as it will never be implemented)
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Post by one21 on Feb 1, 2019 18:45:31 GMT
Perhaps we could export English Lamb to New Zealand! There are interesting parallels between what happened to NZ when the Britain joined EEC in 1973 with what may happen to the UK and for that matter Ireland when/if we leave the EU. Worth a Google if you're interested. I should put in a good word for Welsh Lamb! Something to balance the import of Warren Gatland "Essentially New Zealand was like an outpost of Britain [back then]. It was this parent-child relationship, and I think people were just terrified of the apron strings being cut off. "I think it was probably panic." Touche'
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 1, 2019 19:13:18 GMT
Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I was busy writing software that enables exports from the UK to New Zealand, I do most of my programming from home and I have flexibility with my working hours. Your interest in my personal circumstances is starting to get a little but creepy. Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required from a bedroom freelancer, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. You mean like the software that means the largest container port in the UK allegedly manages to seemlessly handle £85bn trade pa, much of it outside EU (Irish border £4bn) and often apparently sticks EU stuff through it as well because it's easier?
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 1, 2019 19:15:09 GMT
If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. We are legally entitled to leave the EU, and if this causes an issue at the border it is as much an EU problem to solve as ours (maybe the people that drafted the GF agreement should have thought of this)
If we leave the customs union the EU says that NI must remain and we have customs checks carried out on good entering NI from the rest of the UK. As an alternative, how about the Irish republic remaining in a customs union with the UK and customs checks are carried out on EU goods entering the Irish republic? This shouldn't be aproblem for the EU, as all would go back to normal once the trade deal is signed (which the EU say is bound to happen, hence their stance that we don't need to worry about the backstop as it will never be implemented)
Which AIUI is the Irish plan for a no deal (except the CU)
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 19:41:02 GMT
Your answer encapsulates the tragedy of moving from the seamless, borderless Single Market arrangement with countries on our doorstep to the special software required from a bedroom freelancer, tenuous relationship with countries half a globe away with 1% if the population of the EU. You mean like the software that means the largest container port in the UK allegedly manages to seemlessly handle £85bn trade pa, much of it outside EU (Irish border £4bn) and often apparently sticks EU stuff through it as well because it's easier? Allegedly, apparently. Don't you feel the the soggyness of the ground under your feet when you have to use words like these? How about checking your facts first, then providing actual information rather than these vagueries?
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 1, 2019 19:47:46 GMT
If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. We are legally entitled to leave the EU, and if this causes an issue at the border it is as much an EU problem to solve as ours (maybe the people that drafted the GF agreement should have thought of this)
If we leave the customs union the EU says that NI must remain and we have customs checks carried out on good entering NI from the rest of the UK. As an alternative, how about the Irish republic remaining in a customs union with the UK and customs checks are carried out on EU goods entering the Irish republic? This shouldn't be aproblem for the EU, as all would go back to normal once the trade deal is signed (which the EU say is bound to happen, hence their stance that we don't need to worry about the backstop as it will never be implemented)
That's why we've been negotiating with the EU for 2 years. Odd that the PM then voted against the agreement she made with them that would ensure the open border under all possible circumstances. The people drafting the GFA had no idea the UK would take leave of its senses as it has. However, If they had anticipated it, they would surely have drafted the backstop in then.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 1, 2019 19:49:18 GMT
You mean like the software that means the largest container port in the UK allegedly manages to seemlessly handle £85bn trade pa, much of it outside EU (Irish border £4bn) and often apparently sticks EU stuff through it as well because it's easier? Allegedly, apparently. Don't you feel the the soggyness of the ground under your feet when you have to use words like these? How about checking your facts first, then providing actual information rather than these vagueries? Just keeping in line with the general speculative tone of the thread.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 1, 2019 19:52:41 GMT
If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. We are legally entitled to leave the EU, and if this causes an issue at the border it is as much an EU problem to solve as ours (maybe the people that drafted the GF agreement should have thought of this)
If we leave the customs union the EU says that NI must remain and we have customs checks carried out on good entering NI from the rest of the UK. As an alternative, how about the Irish republic remaining in a customs union with the UK and customs checks are carried out on EU goods entering the Irish republic? This shouldn't be aproblem for the EU, as all would go back to normal once the trade deal is signed (which the EU say is bound to happen, hence their stance that we don't need to worry about the backstop as it will never be implemented)
you are obviously not serious. However, to spell it out: Ireland is in a customs union with the EU. If Ireland is in a customs union with the UK too, then the UK is in a customs union with the EU. And that's the backstop as currently is. Unless you are trying to tell Ireland what to do - leave the EU customs union - and taking back their control for them too? I'm sure Britain telling Ireland what to do will go down really well given the history of the island.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 1, 2019 19:58:37 GMT
If we can't agree a suitable alternative, the only way to keep the border open is for NI (EU's choice) or the whole UK (our choice, and agreed by EU as way of compromise) to remain a part of the customs union until there is a suitable solution. We are legally entitled to leave the EU, and if this causes an issue at the border it is as much an EU problem to solve as ours (maybe the people that drafted the GF agreement should have thought of this)
If we leave the customs union the EU says that NI must remain and we have customs checks carried out on good entering NI from the rest of the UK. As an alternative, how about the Irish republic remaining in a customs union with the UK and customs checks are carried out on EU goods entering the Irish republic? This shouldn't be aproblem for the EU, as all would go back to normal once the trade deal is signed (which the EU say is bound to happen, hence their stance that we don't need to worry about the backstop as it will never be implemented)
And we are legally committed to the GFA
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 1, 2019 20:14:22 GMT
"I'm sure Britain telling Ireland what to do will go down really well given the history of the island" Oh do try to keep up @ifisacava, we're way beyond that. Top Brexit intellectual and independent foreign policy negotiating fan Priti Patel already drew international disgust onto Britain by suggesting we could starve the Irish into agreement. www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018Just Google 'Priti Patel Ireland'and you can see her slated in your newspaper of choice. Works for all other EU languages too.
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