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Post by hazellend on Jan 3, 2019 14:10:27 GMT
My heart truly bleeds for all these poor unfortunate souls on over £100k a year... Grow the hell up life isn't all about you and your bloody pension contributions. Maybe grow a little empathy and humility while you're at it! You’re not going to guilt me into working for free. Would you give up family time/free time to do weekend/evening work for free?
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Post by coop on Jan 3, 2019 14:14:22 GMT
Not asking anybody to do anything but if that's the worst of your problems then you're doing better than about 99.9% of the population so count your blessings...
...I'm bringing up 2 kids on a single income of under £30k but I still consider myself blessed because it could be so very much worse.
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Post by coop on Jan 3, 2019 14:16:11 GMT
Easily sorted - drop the salaries of those people so that they would not get to 100k while working full time and additional days. That doesn’t work when there is already a critical shortage of staff and multiple unfilled posts. Again people will just leave and can name their price at another place of their choosing. Next idea? So basically fix the shortage of staff and multiple unfilled posts and you can get on yer bike and we won't care if you work the extra day or not 
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Post by cb25 on Jan 3, 2019 14:18:39 GMT
Not asking anybody to do anything but if that's the worst of your problems then you're doing better than about 99.9% of the population so count your blessings... ...I'm bringing up 2 kids on a single income of under £30k but I still consider myself blessed because it could be so very much worse. It's the people on £100K+ (unfortunately never me) that pay the tax that enables the state to provide child benefit etc. (not necessarily to you, but to many others). The top 1% of earners contribute something like 28% of total income tax.
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hazellend
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Post by hazellend on Jan 3, 2019 14:27:19 GMT
Not asking anybody to do anything but if that's the worst of your problems then you're doing better than about 99.9% of the population so count your blessings... ...I'm bringing up 2 kids on a single income of under £30k but I still consider myself blessed because it could be so very much worse. Boo hoo. I also have 2 kids and one income in the family. Also no benefits/handouts and very high tax to boot. Also, I had to work extremely hard to get to where I am and mane lots of sacrifices that a lot of other jobs don’t require so yeah, I deserve to get highly paid which is why I chose free tine rather than pay extra handouts to entitled peoplr
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Post by coop on Jan 3, 2019 14:27:48 GMT
Not asking anybody to do anything but if that's the worst of your problems then you're doing better than about 99.9% of the population so count your blessings... ...I'm bringing up 2 kids on a single income of under £30k but I still consider myself blessed because it could be so very much worse. It's the people on £100K+ (unfortunately never me) that pay the tax that enables the state to provide child benefit etc. (not necessarily to you, but to many others). The top 1% of earners contribute something like 28% of total income tax. Well yeah, that's proportional taxation in a nutshell mate; nail on the head there!! Worth mentioning too that that's 28% of income tax, not 28% of the tax burden of the country (I know you didn't say this but our PM said this once!!) What's arguably more important is that as a proportion of their income they are probably still paying less in tax than serfs like me - my £130 a month council tax bill for example equates to over 8% of my net monthly income - if I was on £100k this would be closer to 3-4%. Then there's VAT, fuel duty, alcohol, tobacco, etc etc.
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Post by coop on Jan 3, 2019 14:30:20 GMT
Not asking anybody to do anything but if that's the worst of your problems then you're doing better than about 99.9% of the population so count your blessings... ...I'm bringing up 2 kids on a single income of under £30k but I still consider myself blessed because it could be so very much worse. Boo hoo. I also have 2 kids and one income in the family. Also no benefits/handouts and very high tax to boot. Also, I had to work extremely hard to get to where I am and mane lots of sacrifices that a lot of other jobs don’t require so yeah, I deserve to get highly paid which is why I chose free tine rather than pay extra handouts to entitled peoplr Boo hoo? I wasn't complaining, you were! XD Are you insinuating I'm not hard working? 320,000 homeless in the country but who cares let's sort out Hazel's tax situation first cos Lord knows she's the real victim here...
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Post by cb25 on Jan 3, 2019 14:35:26 GMT
It's the people on £100K+ (unfortunately never me) that pay the tax that enables the state to provide child benefit etc. (not necessarily to you, but to many others). The top 1% of earners contribute something like 28% of total income tax. What's arguably more important is that as a proportion of their income they are probably still paying less in tax than serfs like me I accept that, but would suggest that line of argument leads nowhere. Take a person (and I'm not talking about you) who earns national minimum wage and is left with - say - £20/week after taxes, housing costs etc. Clearly, richer people are going to be left with more than that per week, but there's no way governments could/would/should tax the rich so that they had only £20/week left over, nobody would do the more demanding jobs.
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Post by hazellend on Jan 3, 2019 14:35:48 GMT
Boo hoo. I also have 2 kids and one income in the family. Also no benefits/handouts and very high tax to boot. Also, I had to work extremely hard to get to where I am and mane lots of sacrifices that a lot of other jobs don’t require so yeah, I deserve to get highly paid which is why I chose free tine rather than pay extra handouts to entitled peoplr Boo hoo? I wasn't complaining, you were! XD Are you insinuating I'm not hard working? 320,000 homeless in the country but who cares let's sort out Hazel's tax situation first cos Lord knows she's the real victim here... I was only pointing out that tax is very unfair at the moment for higher earners.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jan 3, 2019 14:37:30 GMT
Given the level of responsibility, stress and skill required for some jobs in the medical field a salary of 150k+ is probably very reasonable. The government should do something ASAP if the tax system is discouraging people from working.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Jan 3, 2019 14:38:40 GMT
I suspect I have 'helped' enough on this thread, and will leave you to it.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 3, 2019 14:40:03 GMT
Easily sorted - drop the salaries of those people so that they would not get to 100k while working full time and additional days. Easily sorted - they'll leave the NHS and use their skills that are in high demand elsewhere for the much higher market rate salary. Trust me, it's happening already, along with early retirement, part time working, and a looming massive NHS recruitment and retention crisis. Oh, and salaries have already dropped 25%plus in real terms over the last 10 years of 0% or occasionally 1% pay increases.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Jan 3, 2019 14:41:22 GMT
Thanks, some good points are being made, but please everyone keep it polite etc.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 3, 2019 14:45:42 GMT
My heart truly bleeds for all these poor unfortunate souls on over £100k a year... Grow the hell up life isn't all about you and your bloody pension contributions. Maybe grow a little empathy and humility while you're at it! It's not about that - few in the NHS lack empathy. It's about what people do when you tax them at rates of 70% plus. They stop working, and enjoy their free time, and hence contribute less to the exchequer. Empathy doesn't pay the bills. Pointing something out doesn't mean someone thinks it's all about them.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 3, 2019 14:47:43 GMT
That doesn’t work when there is already a critical shortage of staff and multiple unfilled posts. Again people will just leave and can name their price at another place of their choosing. Next idea? So basically fix the shortage of staff and multiple unfilled posts and you can get on yer bike and we won't care if you work the extra day or not Good luck with that! Oh yes, and that's precisely the attitude that the government has been giving towards NHS staff and why they now can't fill the posts in may areas/fields.
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