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Post by martin44 on Feb 26, 2019 22:42:05 GMT
Lovely warm February.. the usual kleptocratic doom mongers are out in force.. i cannot however remember any of them having much to say in February 2018.... Maybe its just me...  |
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Post by markr on Feb 27, 2019 16:05:18 GMT
Weather != Climate
However, I also notice the climate change deniers, who were out in full force last February, are now keeping very quiet, so it cuts both ways.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Feb 27, 2019 16:27:17 GMT
Didn't they used to call it Global warming? until it was pointed out that temperatures weren't actually rising which threw a spanner in the works & then in a great rush of grant applications & disappearing job prospects it was quickly rebranded "Climate Change" conveniently covering all bases, so the gravy train could be guaranteed to continue whatever any data said in the future.
Should these hand wringers really want to face up to the problem they could look at what really drives all these problems too few resources being demanded by too many people & given global resources such as food, water, shelter etc are essentially finite then the only long term solution is to restrict & even reverse human population growth. Too difficult an issue to face up to; so just resort to closing power station, erecting windmills & taxing carbon use - PATHETIC.
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Post by markr on Feb 27, 2019 16:42:36 GMT
Temperatures *are* actually rising.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Feb 27, 2019 17:21:03 GMT
Temperatures *are* actually rising. They go up & down rather dependant on your chosen timescale; from 950 to 1100 was known as the medieval warm period (where it's believed they were HIGHER than today) & in the 17th century there was significant cooling known as the little ice age. Please just don't believe all this 5 years to save the planet & your children's future scaremongering.
98% of scientists agree partly due to self interest because their jobs & funding is directly or indirectly funded by vested climate change embracing organisations. I can pay 20 others to tell you it's not true but that wouldn't make it right either.
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Post by moist on Feb 27, 2019 17:36:01 GMT
Temperatures *are* actually rising. They go up & down rather dependant on your chosen timescale; from 950 to 1100 was known as the medieval warm period (where it's believed they were HIGHER than today) & in the 17th century there was significant cooling known as the little ice age. Please just don't believe all this 5 years to save the planet & your children's future scaremongering.
98% of scientists agree partly due to self interest because their jobs & funding is directly or indirectly funded by vested climate change embracing organisations. I can pay 20 others to tell you it's not true but that wouldn't make it right either.
You should get out there and do the sundance kid...
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Post by markr on Feb 27, 2019 18:01:40 GMT
They go up & down rather dependant on your chosen timescale; from 950 to 1100 was known as the medieval warm period (where it's believed they were HIGHER than today) & in the 17th century there was significant cooling known as the little ice age. Please just don't believe all this 5 years to save the planet & your children's future scaremongering.
98% of scientists agree partly due to self interest because their jobs & funding is directly or indirectly funded by vested climate change embracing organisations. I can pay 20 others to tell you it's not true but that wouldn't make it right either.
Nope, temperatures in the MWP were nowhere near as high, and the changes were much slower, than post-industrial warming. Even more concerning is 21st century warming is continuing against what should be a falling trend. Climate change is going to have a major impact on human civilisation in the near future, and no amount of conspiracy theories will change that. Don't worry about the scientists, they'll be fine; there'll always be a need for critical thinking and evidence-based reasoning however inconvenient the results. Put your wallet away, too, there are plenty of vested climate change denying organisations funding the 2% of scientists who, due to self interest, persist in their denial despite the mountains of contrary evidence.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Feb 27, 2019 18:21:28 GMT
I believe global temperature fluctuates over time (MWP & Roman where likely higher than today) & man's influence is very minor & even less able to alter these fluctuations but if we assume that you are correct for a moment. My previously stated solution to your problem "the only long term solution is to restrict & even reverse human population growth." What's yours?
All governments need an existential threat to get unpopular policies through; cover the land with eye sore windmills, close power stations & drive up everyone's power bills, place higher taxes on business - ANS: play your "climate change" card.
You clearly believe all this scaremongering so presumably are doing your bit - living without electric or gas only using your own "green energy" windmill that you carried to your own garden (as you don't use petrol guzzling transport), only eating what you produce on your own allotment obviously vegan only as those evil animals produce "climate gases" & only wearing the flax clothes that you weave on your own handmade wooden loom. If not you are part of the problem.
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Post by scc on Feb 27, 2019 18:32:24 GMT
Temperatures *are* actually rising. They go up & down rather dependant on your chosen timescale; from 950 to 1100 was known as the medieval warm period (where it's believed they were HIGHER than today) & in the 17th century there was significant cooling known as the little ice age. Please just don't believe all this 5 years to save the planet & your children's future scaremongering.
98% of scientists agree partly due to self interest because their jobs & funding is directly or indirectly funded by vested climate change embracing organisations. I can pay 20 others to tell you it's not true but that wouldn't make it right either
Aye, thank goodness we have a plucky little band of oil and gas companies willing to take on this evil cabal of sinister scientists and reveal the real truth.
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Post by scc on Feb 27, 2019 18:47:01 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 27, 2019 19:35:57 GMT
<snip> All governments need an existential threat to get unpopular policies through; cover the land with eye sore windmills, close power stations & drive up everyone's power bills, place higher taxes on business - ANS: play your "climate change" card. Still, probably slightly more popular than a mass program of euthanasia and sterilisation I suspect. Unless of course its only applied to "somewhere and someone else".
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Post by samford71 on Feb 27, 2019 20:25:03 GMT
I would argue anthropogenic climate change is inevitable and follows from the second law of thermodynamics, that entropy increases, and the fact that the resource (the Earth) has finite thermodynamic limits. According to the 2nd law, so long as our activities concern the planet in isolation, there is nothing whatsoever that we can do to stop rising planetary temperatures (we can merely reduce its rate). We can do as much renewables and recycling as we like (and these may protect us from earlier biosphere collapse which is clearly a good thing). These, however, just delay the basic problem which is that exponential economic growth requires exponential energy usage, and generates exponential entropy increases. It's thermdynamically incompatible with a finite resource. We need to abandon economic growth and reduce total energy consumption massively, do some very global engineering work (such as finding a way to reduce the Earth's albedo) or we need to find another planet. If we carry on at the current 2.3%/annum increase in global energy usage, then in just over 400 years, humanity will be consume energy at a rate corresponding to the total solar flux striking Earth. This would put the planet at a temperature close to boiling point.
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Post by charlata on Feb 27, 2019 21:00:50 GMT
They go up & down rather dependant on your chosen timescale; from 950 to 1100 was known as the medieval warm period (where it's believed they were HIGHER than today) & in the 17th century there was significant cooling known as the little ice age. Please just don't believe all this 5 years to save the planet & your children's future scaremongering.
98% of scientists agree partly due to self interest because their jobs & funding is directly or indirectly funded by vested climate change embracing organisations. I can pay 20 others to tell you it's not true but that wouldn't make it right either.
Nope, temperatures in the MWP were nowhere near as high, and the changes were much slower, than post-industrial warming. Even more concerning is 21st century warming is continuing against what should be a falling trend. Climate change is going to have a major impact on human civilisation in the near future, and no amount of conspiracy theories will change that. Don't worry about the scientists, they'll be fine; there'll always be a need for critical thinking and evidence-based reasoning however inconvenient the results. Put your wallet away, too, there are plenty of vested climate change denying organisations funding the 2% of scientists who, due to self interest, persist in their denial despite the mountains of contrary evidence. Seriously, I wouldn't bother. T'internet's full of cranks who believe that MMR causes autism, the EU bans bendy bananas and that climate change is a collaborative conspiracy between govt and science. No amount of data is ever going to change their mind.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 27, 2019 21:07:17 GMT
I'm seeing a flat earth thread coming.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 27, 2019 21:37:27 GMT
I'm seeing a flat earth thread coming. There is nothing which quite beats the social media post from the Flat Earth Society proudly advertising that "they have members all around the globe".
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