Godanubis
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Anubis is known as the god of death and is the oldest and most popular of ancient Egyptian deities.
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Post by Godanubis on May 3, 2019 10:46:23 GMT
Just been reading an article on the Guardian ( here) about the CCC report published the other day and noticed this: "New trees are the simplest solution but tree planting must triple from today’s rate, the CCC said, meaning more than 107 hectares (267 acres) a day of new forests from now until 2050"
So, that's more than a square kilometre of forestry to be planted every day from now to 2050. I'll believe that when I see it done.
I planted 3 trees last year in my garden. They were fruit trees so help feed the planet ie. me . No matter what we do in UK the increase in population to 10 billion by 2050 needs to be addressed. Start with the dead we need a more efficient and bio friendly disposable by chemical reduction,composting or burial. Personally I’ve arranged to have a not so eco friendly comfortable 16oz bronze casket and crypt. (Who says you can’t take your money with you  ) Happy to leave several hundred of thousands to fund birth control in poorer wood burning countries.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on May 3, 2019 11:30:39 GMT
Hydroponic plant growing produces 100 times the yields of conventional farming we need more.
Use of more bacterial and insects based proteins for food.
If every new mum got a packet of mixed tree seeds in the baby box they get free. The could either plant in their gardens or at least put one in a pot that would grow along with their bundle of C02 producing joy. This could then be donated in the future for appropriate planting.
All cemeteries in the future should have a plan for forest and undergrowth planting where when you plant your relative you also get an appropriate plant/tree planted in the centre of the grave. A small memorial marker could be added and then fixed to the plant/tree.
This would turn unsightly vast cemeteries into forests full of wildlife benefiting everyone as graves are rarely visited by later generations. There would still be memorials should someone wish to visit.
Burials would be recorded digitally on a site map and can have remembrance comments and photos from relatives stored that can be viewed locally or via internet.
This compared to cremation if adopted worldwide would turn each of the millions of C02 cremations into a CO2 reducing biomass.
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Post by captainconfident on May 3, 2019 11:46:35 GMT
I remember a few years ago when the will of some dead Lord was read, and he had written that he wanted to leave his body to be fed to the dogs at Battersea Dogs Home. The Dogs home had refused. It was discussed on The World At One.
Seemed a handsome environmental contribution to me. Anyone tried that Soylent Green? Tangy!
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Post by scc on May 3, 2019 12:06:33 GMT
Trees are relatively cheap (you can get a 1-2 year old tree for around 50p) - it's having land to plant them on which is the tricky thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:54:29 GMT
I think the non-kid thing really does count as CO2 emissions are related to population size, not linearly I'm sure, but population increase causes CO2 increase. From one of my previous posts:
I'm not sure we can count 1/9,000,000,000 of a saving but hey if you want to.
On the other hand making a saving that moves the average western family from 10,000 kg a year to 2,000 kg that sounds like a significant change.
I'd rather hit the low hanging fruit, but thank you god.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:57:06 GMT
Ironically all these small personal sacrifices are as nothing unless we revive our own heavy manufacturing industries. The carbon produced by transporting and importing cheap foreign product should be 100% reduced. Our own product will provide much needed employment at a higher cost so our consumption will be regulated to need rather than greed. Hopefully our previous industrial experiences will enable us to make a better job of it this time around. Tear stained, short changed, youth can go into the mines and quarries willingly, in the knowledge that their physical and moral strength is enabling their future. Comrades. Heavy industry... you mean we have a desparate need to build more bridges, ships, for what? I suspect we need heavy industry like we need a hole in our heads.
The third world needs stuff like that because they have none of it.
I used to work in heavy industry and we used to build giant pumps that lasted 100 years and then could be refurbished, the core demand has gone in the western world.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 13:01:35 GMT
Just been reading an article on the Guardian ( here) about the CCC report published the other day and noticed this: "New trees are the simplest solution but tree planting must triple from today’s rate, the CCC said, meaning more than 107 hectares (267 acres) a day of new forests from now until 2050"
So, that's more than a square kilometre of forestry to be planted every day from now to 2050. I'll believe that when I see it done.
Germany and France up for it
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 13:04:15 GMT
Trees are relatively cheap (you can get a 1-2 year old tree for around 50p) - it's having land to plant them on which is the tricky thing. We have massive unnatural moorlands all over the country left there after the middleages. Easy peasy. Everytime you go for a walk take a catapult and a bag of seeds. If they can manage it in Kenya.. www.seedballskenya.com/throw-grow/4592995996
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Post by travolta on May 3, 2019 14:44:34 GMT
Ironically all these small personal sacrifices are as nothing unless we revive our own heavy manufacturing industries. The carbon produced by transporting and importing cheap foreign product should be 100% reduced. Our own product will provide much needed employment at a higher cost so our consumption will be regulated to need rather than greed. Hopefully our previous industrial experiences will enable us to make a better job of it this time around. Tear stained, short changed, youth can go into the mines and quarries willingly, in the knowledge that their physical and moral strength is enabling their future. Comrades. Heavy industry... you mean we have a desparate need to build more bridges, ships, for what? I suspect we need heavy industry like we need a hole in our heads.
The third world needs stuff like that because they have none of it.
I used to work in heavy industry and we used to build giant pumps that lasted 100 years and then could be refurbished, the core demand has gone in the western world.
Desperate as in Dan. Ships for the Royal Navy (instead of using S.Korean labour) Pumps to pump out our deep mines to restore/ remploy the S. Wales coalfield . You might like to take a trip down the Valleys to see how the unemployable youth is faring there. There are still a number of small serviceable mines still in operation there. Yes we still need coal and not import it .
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Post by travolta on May 3, 2019 14:47:48 GMT
Ironically all these small personal sacrifices are as nothing unless we revive our own heavy manufacturing industries. The carbon produced by transporting and importing cheap foreign product should be 100% reduced. Our own product will provide much needed employment at a higher cost so our consumption will be regulated to need rather than greed. Hopefully our previous industrial experiences will enable us to make a better job of it this time around. Tear stained, short changed, youth can go into the mines and quarries willingly, in the knowledge that their physical and moral strength is enabling their future. Comrades. But Trav, I thought you were for Dr. Fox/Raab/Patel's vision of no tariff, no standards "Singapore of Europe / Global Britain"? But turns out you are an Autarky Kipper. All the bluster hides a deep split in the Brexiteers.
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Post by cb25 on May 3, 2019 15:19:23 GMT
I think the non-kid thing really does count as CO2 emissions are related to population size, not linearly I'm sure, but population increase causes CO2 increase. From one of my previous posts:
On the other hand making a saving that moves the average western family from 10,000 kg a year to 2,000 kg that sounds like a significant change.
I believe the UK figure is 10 ton per person per year (not per family), so having one fewer children will save 10t/yr at current figures.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 15:36:32 GMT
Heavy industry... you mean we have a desparate need to build more bridges, ships, for what? I suspect we need heavy industry like we need a hole in our heads.
The third world needs stuff like that because they have none of it.
I used to work in heavy industry and we used to build giant pumps that lasted 100 years and then could be refurbished, the core demand has gone in the western world.
Desperate as in Dan. Ships for the Royal Navy (instead of using S.Korean labour) Pumps to pump out our deep mines to restore/ remploy the S. Wales coalfield . You might like to take a trip down the Valleys to see how the unemployable youth is faring there. There are still a number of small serviceable mines still in operation there. Yes we still need coal and not import it . Since climate change requires us to stop generating CO2, we also need to stop burning Carbon. Those welsh nuts are of course coal. Seriously if those Welsh lads still think they should wait for work to come back they really have lost the plot. Either set up their own business or get a job.
No we don'tneed the coal. We need to stop burning it.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 15:40:40 GMT
On the other hand making a saving that moves the average western family from 10,000 kg a year to 2,000 kg that sounds like a significant change.
I believe the UK figure is 10 ton per person per year (not per family), so having one fewer children will save 10t/yr at current figures. Thank you. I agree, per person
Still my point still stands. Not producing one imaginary child is far less interesting than reducing the total average CO2 production for all western world people by 80%. Not sure about numbers but let's guess 1,000 million westeners. Focus on the big things, rather than individuals who don't exist in the first place.
One of the most interesting ways of reducing population growth is to make very poor people just poor. It turns out that poor people think it is a good idea to educate their kids and so cut back on excess children, the very poor don't have time to think about such fascinating ideas and just have kids in an attempt to bank some cash flow. So we could just give the very poor some money.
On another point Korea does not build Royal Navy battle ships.
In terms of coal:
I just checked grid watch. We arenot using any coal to make electricity this afternoon, nor oil.
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Post by adrianc on May 3, 2019 15:46:04 GMT
Ironically all these small personal sacrifices are as nothing unless we revive our own heavy manufacturing industries. The carbon produced by transporting and importing cheap foreign product should be 100% reduced. Our own product will provide much needed employment at a higher cost so our consumption will be regulated to need rather than greed. Hopefully our previous industrial experiences will enable us to make a better job of it this time around. Tear stained, short changed, youth can go into the mines and quarries willingly, in the knowledge that their physical and moral strength is enabling their future. Comrades. Back when the UK did manufacturing*, manufacturing involved lots of men in brown coats and hats. Now, it mostly involves talking nicely to the robots doing the actual work. Certainly, in high-labour-cost economies. So you won't be requiring "much needed employment". Not that it's particularly needed, since the UK has pretty damn near full employment currently. * - it still does. 9th largest manufacturing nation in the world, with 11% of the economy's gross value-add, 44% of exports, 70% of business R&D, and 2.6m jobs (8.2% of total jobs).
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Post by adrianc on May 3, 2019 15:52:06 GMT
Not sure about numbers but let's guess 1,000 million westeners. Define "western world"... If we're going with "developed world", rather than some geographical oddity, then you're hitting that billion in just three economies. EU - 510m US - 320m Japan - 130m Add 40m for Canada, to complete the G7 Add 150m for Russia, to complete the G8 Taken together, the G20 represents about 65% of the total world population, 4.7bn people.
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) Happy to leave several hundred of thousands to fund birth control in poorer wood burning countries.
