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Post by adrianc on May 9, 2019 13:24:58 GMT
A massively laudable aim, CC.
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Post by martin44 on May 9, 2019 19:38:15 GMT
 Not quite, i'll use the aeroplane emergency procedure analogy ........ "If the aircraft becomes depressurised, oxygen masks will fall from above....... ALWAYS ENSURE YOU PLACE YOUR OWN MASK ON BEFORE HELPING OTHERS TO FIT THEIR'S"  I'm surprised but I like that answer. I admit that I have the luxury of being environmentally alarmed because I am quite well off. I can buy an oxygen mask any time I need one. However I am quite well off because of my environmental inactivism, i.e. I chose not to have children. Here I find a contradiction in myself: As a childless person with only distant relatives, I have practically no investment in the future of the planet. When I'm gone, I'm gone. So in the words of the late great Jim Morrison, I should say "I'm going to get my kicks, before the whole shithouse goes up in flames". But I find myself deeply concerned, deeply in love with the natural world, to put it in a clumsy way. I feel terrible about the wrecking of the natural habitats of the animals, the extinction of unique animal species and ashamed to be a human being who contributed to it. I wonder where this comes from. So my forum friends, my plan is to use all my surplus capital to buy the biggest block of marginal farmland I can and rewild it. Preferably with a stream of river in it for wetland creation. I see this as the best way to give something back to the planet I have so much enjoyed living on and leave, if you like, a kind of memorial to my time spent here. I have about £1.5m for the project and if anyone reading likes this idea and would like to discuss adding to this fund and adding their name to this new nature reserve, please send me a PM. Good luck from me, a brilliant idea, there is at least one thing we have in common, a love of the natural world, having a small piece of land myself (just under an acre) i've planted trees and hedgerows, im almost ready to start my first beehive, 6 bird-boxes, numerous bird feeders and a small wildlife pond.
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Post by pip on May 10, 2019 12:50:38 GMT
If extinction rebellion want to protest how about UEFA for making fans from England travel to Madrid and Baku to see teams all from England play each other? And then Istanbul for the Super Cup. Madness. Could easily play the games at Wembley, Old Trafford, Millenium Stadium, Etihad etc...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 13:37:23 GMT
This from the Independent, worth reading all the way through.
The founder of Extinction Rebellion and another activist have been cleared of all charges relating to protests in which they entered Kings College London and spray painted “Divest from oil and gas” on the walls.
During a three-day trial at Southwark Crown Court, Roger Hallam, 52, and David Durant, 25, who represented themselves, did not deny criminal damage worth £7,000, but argued their actions were a proportionate response to the climate crisis.
Five weeks after the protest the university reportedly removed £14m worth of investments from fossil fuel companies and pledged to become carbon neutral by 2025.
Afterwards, the university did not pursue a prosecution for the pair, but the state took on the case.
Mr Hallam and Mr Durant had used water-soluble chalk-based spray paint.
The prosecution told the court there was “no legitimate basis for applying this spray, even if the defendants did not agree with the policy of the college”.
But despite being stopped repeatedly by Judge Michael Gledhill, QC, each time the pair mentioned climate change, because he said he didn’t want proceedings “sidelined” into a climate change debate, both activists were acquitted by the jury.
Mr Hallam and Mr Durant argued their actions had been lawful because there criminal damage law contains exemptions which allow for damage to be done to private property to protect it from immediate danger.
They argued that private property across the world is in immediate danger of destruction to to the calamitous effects of global climate change.
Speaking outside the court on Thursday, Mr Hallam said: “Not only does direct action work, but it wins in a court of law in front of the British public.”
Mr Durant said: “First we won [with] this action, and now we’ve won against the system, and we’ll keep on winning.”
According to The Guardian, Mr Hallam also said: “We are extremely grateful to the jury for following common sense … ordinary people, unlike the judiciary, are able to see the broader picture.
“We sat in the court, we watched paint dry for three days on a ridiculous charge and the jury returned the common sense verdict of not guilty.
“Chalk on the wall is obviously less important than the impending catastrophe for the planet.”
In a video released this week, Mr Durant said there had been meetings over three years with the university about its investment portfolio “that barely achieved anything”, but weeks after the direct action in 2017, “the university dropped all of its fossil fuel investments”.
Mr Hallam, an organic farmer, said: “Just over a decade ago there was a series of extreme weather events which destroyed my business and led to 25 people losing their jobs. Climate emergency is not some abstract concept. Millions of farmers around the world are under extreme economic pressure due to the climate change catastrophe now unfolding.”
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Post by cb25 on May 10, 2019 14:15:54 GMT
This from the Independent, worth reading all the way through.
The founder of Extinction Rebellion and another activist have been cleared of all charges relating to protests in which they entered Kings College London and spray painted “Divest from oil and gas” on the walls.
During a three-day trial at Southwark Crown Court, Roger Hallam, 52, and David Durant, 25, who represented themselves, did not deny criminal damage worth £7,000, but argued their actions were a proportionate response to the climate crisis.
Five weeks after the protest the university reportedly removed £14m worth of investments from fossil fuel companies and pledged to become carbon neutral by 2025.
Afterwards, the university did not pursue a prosecution for the pair, but the state took on the case.
Mr Hallam and Mr Durant had used water-soluble chalk-based spray paint.
The prosecution told the court there was “no legitimate basis for applying this spray, even if the defendants did not agree with the policy of the college”.
But despite being stopped repeatedly by Judge Michael Gledhill, QC, each time the pair mentioned climate change, because he said he didn’t want proceedings “sidelined” into a climate change debate, both activists were acquitted by the jury.
Mr Hallam and Mr Durant argued their actions had been lawful because there criminal damage law contains exemptions which allow for damage to be done to private property to protect it from immediate danger.
They argued that private property across the world is in immediate danger of destruction to to the calamitous effects of global climate change.
Speaking outside the court on Thursday, Mr Hallam said: “Not only does direct action work, but it wins in a court of law in front of the British public.”
Mr Durant said: “First we won [with] this action, and now we’ve won against the system, and we’ll keep on winning.”
According to The Guardian, Mr Hallam also said: “We are extremely grateful to the jury for following common sense … ordinary people, unlike the judiciary, are able to see the broader picture.
“We sat in the court, we watched paint dry for three days on a ridiculous charge and the jury returned the common sense verdict of not guilty.
“Chalk on the wall is obviously less important than the impending catastrophe for the planet.”
In a video released this week, Mr Durant said there had been meetings over three years with the university about its investment portfolio “that barely achieved anything”, but weeks after the direct action in 2017, “the university dropped all of its fossil fuel investments”.
Mr Hallam, an organic farmer, said: “Just over a decade ago there was a series of extreme weather events which destroyed my business and led to 25 people losing their jobs. Climate emergency is not some abstract concept. Millions of farmers around the world are under extreme economic pressure due to the climate change catastrophe now unfolding.”
Seems that 'immediate' was interpreted as 'sometime in the next few decades'. I would hope the real reason they got off was that chalk based paint didn't really do any permanent damage.
I would have been OK with it if our police had followed the action taken by police in France where they pepper sprayed protestors blocking access (to SocGen I think).
No doubt some will say "but it was in a good cause". Well, it was in a cause that some agree with, but I suspect not nearly as many as ER would like to think (I don't see masses of people deciding not to fly, drive, etc.). Wonder what supporters of ER's actions would have been if, for example, the far right decided to do the same sit-down protest until the government kicked all immigrants out of the country? Is that also OK or is it OK only for those on the left, but not for those on the right?
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Post by pip on May 10, 2019 14:54:51 GMT
I do sometimes think the Bible has some pretty insightful passages:
Isaiah 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.
There is something slightly distasteful about seeing people who think themselves to be more wise and clever than the rest of us. Even if they are right about climate change, I suspect their motivations for their actions are not as straight forward as one may think.
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Post by cb25 on May 10, 2019 15:14:44 GMT
I do sometimes think the Bible has some pretty insightful passages: Isaiah 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. There is something slightly distasteful about seeing people who think themselves to be more wise and clever than the rest of us. Even if they are right about climate change, I suspect their motivations for their actions are not as straight forward as one may think. "Implement a transition, with justice at its core...this includes halting all fracking projects, free transport solutions and decent housing.." "Pass a Global Green New Deal..This Green New Deal would also include an end to the arms trade" "End the hostile environment of walls and fences, detention centers and prisons that are used against racialised, migrant, and refugee communities" "Guarantee flourishing communities .. in which everyone has the right to free education, an adequate income whether in or out of work"
i.e. absolutely nothing to do with climate change, simply the stuff you'd expect from the Left.
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Post by pip on May 10, 2019 15:25:56 GMT
I do sometimes think the Bible has some pretty insightful passages: Isaiah 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. There is something slightly distasteful about seeing people who think themselves to be more wise and clever than the rest of us. Even if they are right about climate change, I suspect their motivations for their actions are not as straight forward as one may think. "Implement a transition, with justice at its core...this includes halting all fracking projects, free transport solutions and decent housing.." "Pass a Global Green New Deal..This Green New Deal would also include an end to the arms trade" "End the hostile environment of walls and fences, detention centers and prisons that are used against racialised, migrant, and refugee communities" "Guarantee flourishing communities .. in which everyone has the right to free education, an adequate income whether in or out of work"
i.e. absolutely nothing to do with climate change, simply the stuff you'd expect from the Left.
Yes wants the state to provide everybody with everything with no responsibility on the individual to do anything. Wants to destroy businesses. Wants to put our defence at risk by agreeing to limit our ability to fight in a war with no such guarantees from our enemies. Wants to destroy the concept of a nation, have free immigration and insult anybody as racist who disagrees. Wants there to be no penalties for not having a job and thinks that somebody who works a 9 hour day should get the same as somebody who has been watching homes under the hammer (actually they would probably ban that too capitalist). I suspect the real reason for many of these people protesting is to give themselves a sense of purpose and superiority over others in society and inside some of their heads is full of jealousy, resentment and self loathing. Most people that want to destroy other peoples lives usually hate themselves.
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Post by cb25 on May 10, 2019 15:57:58 GMT
Guardian article ( here) "Labour weighs up delisting UK firms if they fail to fight climate change"
Oh, good plan, so companies will move their listing and headquarters to (say) New York and pay their company tax there.
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Post by IFISAcava on May 10, 2019 16:07:56 GMT
Guardian article ( here) "Labour weighs up delisting UK firms if they fail to fight climate change"
Oh, good plan, so companies will move their listing and headquarters to (say) New York and pay their company tax there.
Agreed. And almost as sensible as the UK leaving the EU single market so that companies move to the continent and pay corporation tax, payroll tax, VAT etc there.
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Post by martin44 on May 10, 2019 19:35:10 GMT
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Post by martin44 on May 10, 2019 19:48:14 GMT
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Post by adrianc on May 11, 2019 8:19:44 GMT
If extinction rebellion want to protest how about UEFA for making fans from England travel to Madrid and Baku to see teams all from England play each other? And then Istanbul for the Super Cup. Madness. Could easily play the games at Wembley, Old Trafford, Millenium Stadium, Etihad etc... Perhaps UEFA should make arrangements to use modern technology to allow the games to be viewed from a distance, preventing the requirement for travel?
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Post by agent69 on May 11, 2019 9:15:58 GMT
If extinction rebellion want to protest how about UEFA for making fans from England travel to Madrid and Baku to see teams all from England play each other? And then Istanbul for the Super Cup. Madness. Could easily play the games at Wembley, Old Trafford, Millenium Stadium, Etihad etc... Perhaps UEFA should make arrangements to use modern technology to allow the games to be viewed from a distance, preventing the requirement for travel? Or just ban the European competitions, that would reduce travel.
And may be a return of the old division 3 north and south, that would also help
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 10:26:29 GMT
I would have been OK with it if our police had followed the action taken by police in France where they pepper sprayed protestors blocking access (to SocGen I think).
I don't agree that our police should be lead into carrying out common assault. This is not Trump's America, not yet.
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Not quite, i'll use the aeroplane emergency procedure analogy ........ "If the aircraft becomes depressurised, oxygen masks will fall from above....... ALWAYS ENSURE YOU PLACE YOUR OWN MASK ON BEFORE HELPING OTHERS TO FIT THEIR'S" 
