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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 10:30:07 GMT
Perhaps UEFA should make arrangements to use modern technology to allow the games to be viewed from a distance, preventing the requirement for travel? Or just ban the European competitions, that would reduce travel.
And may be a return of the old division 3 north and south, that would also help Since the vast majority of the viewers will be watching via video, the "greening" of the football industry is begining to come good. What might be better is to start reducing the size of international sports stadiums. After all, if 1 billion are going to watch Olympics on TV do you need a 120,000 person stadium which ends up being used say 6 days a year. A virtual stadium seems to make far more sense. It would save on concrete, flights etc. Imagine, the next time they rebuild Wembley they just offered 20,000 seats but some stonking video facilities.
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Post by agent69 on May 11, 2019 14:02:31 GMT
I would have been OK with it if our police had followed the action taken by police in France where they pepper sprayed protestors blocking access (to SocGen I think).
I don't agree that our police should be lead into carrying out common assault. This is not Trump's America, not yet. So you are not in favour of our police using force to apprehend criminals?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 9:01:30 GMT
No I am in favour of the police arresting people, I'm not in favour of them carrying out common assualt. For example tear gassing protesters who have glued both their hands to a bus shelter makes no sense, and unfortunatly that is more or less what the French police did a couple of weekends ago.
My experience is that UK police are way above the level as shown by the CRS and long may it continue.
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Post by cb25 on May 13, 2019 9:04:52 GMT
No I am in favour of the police arresting people Yet they mostly ignored them. One newspaper article put this down to a shortage of police cells and the time/effort it would have taken to take people to the few cells they have. Whatever the reason, allowing masses of people to break the law sends a poor signal. Eco-warriors should use the democratic process like everybody else, rather than try to force their views on people.
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Amusing article in the Guardian ( here), a 'modest proposal' by Kevin McKenna (I believe in the satirical style of Swift's modest proposal, here) "no overseas travel (unless by boat) for two years" "Compulsory beekeeping" "Mandatory adoption of an endangered animal" " Every family would be required to spend one day a week without any form of energy supply"
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As to (national?) football stadium. If it were the case that they were used for only a few days a year, reducing their size would annoy millions of people for modest gain. (Surely the real 'villain' here is air travel, so that's what should be targetted). There's enough resistance to climate change without proposals that could be seen as eco-Taliban killjoys.
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Post by captainconfident on May 13, 2019 11:03:58 GMT
cb25, you and others here just seem to use your scorn for people trying to do something as an excuse for not needing to take any action yourself.
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Post by cb25 on May 13, 2019 11:38:07 GMT
cb25 , you and others here just seem to use your scorn for people trying to do something as an excuse for not needing to take any action yourself. It isn't the virtue signalling actions of individuals like ER that will make a difference, it's the action that governments take.
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Post by captainconfident on May 13, 2019 11:45:05 GMT
cb25 , you and others here just seem to use your scorn for people trying to do something as an excuse for not needing to take any action yourself. It isn't the virtue signalling actions of individuals like ER that will make a difference, it's the action that governments take. If you believe that is a reason for having no plan to take any action yourself, then the least you can do is vote for the Green Party.
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Post by cb25 on May 13, 2019 11:47:15 GMT
It isn't the virtue signalling actions of individuals like ER that will make a difference, it's the action that governments take. If you believe that is a reason for having no plan to take any action yourself, then the least you can do is vote for the Green Party. As they support unlimited immigration and unspecified 'fair' taxation, I certainly won't be doing that.
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Post by captainconfident on May 13, 2019 11:55:38 GMT
So you rate short term twattery like Brexit and some opinion about immigrants as more important than limiting the temperature of the planet so that humans can survive as a species?
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Post by adrianc on May 13, 2019 11:56:30 GMT
If you believe that is a reason for having no plan to take any action yourself, then the least you can do is vote for the Green Party. As they support unlimited immigration and unspecified 'fair' taxation, I certainly won't be doing that. They don't "support unlimited migration". policy.greenparty.org.uk/mg.htmlThey're also quite specific about their taxation policy. policy.greenparty.org.uk/ec.html
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 12:05:38 GMT
One of the battles is about pre-judging issues and the ignorance of facts which occurs in the busy world.
I suspect the most important thing to do is the work to discover the facts rather than jump to pre-set conclusions.
So breath, let's keep it civil. :-)
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Post by cb25 on May 13, 2019 13:27:09 GMT
So you rate short term twattery like Brexit and some opinion about immigrants as more important than limiting the temperature of the planet so that humans can survive as a species? LOL. Wonder how many Remainers would agree with the statement "I think Brexit is the wrong choice, but it's nothing compared to climate change, so I'll agree to any exit - even a no-deal exit - in order that we can concentrate on our number one priority, climate change". I'd guess zero.
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Post by adrianc on May 13, 2019 13:28:17 GMT
Perhaps you'd be so kind as to explain how EU membership prevents the UK from addressing climate change?
It's really not hard to explain how ham-stringing the economy harms our ability to.
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Post by cb25 on May 13, 2019 13:39:38 GMT
So breath, let's keep it civil. :-)
Easy to see how heated some get and that's before anybody tries to restrict their ability to fly, or drive, or anything else that impacts their lifestyle. I can see why governments don't want to step into this (other than tinkering with things such as tax on plastic bags, where we're not the real culprits), could be a huge push-back.
Green party on migration:
"MG203 Richer regions and communities do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term." "MG414 Transport providers must not be penalised for bringing people without the required visas, etc. to the UK" "MG453. .. Victims should not be subject to summary deportation or expulsion on the grounds of illegal or irregular entry into or residence in the country."
"MG454. The Government should grant a temporary right to stay in the country to anyone who has been trafficked or appears to have been trafficked. It should also recognise the right of those who have been trafficked to apply for a longer term or permanent immigration status, and should treat such an application on the same basis as others seeking to migrate"
Looks like pretty much open door to people smugglers.
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Post by adrianc on May 13, 2019 13:54:43 GMT
So breath, let's keep it civil. :-)
Easy to see how heated some get and that's before anybody tries to restrict their ability to fly, or drive, or anything else that impacts their lifestyle. I can see why governments don't want to step into this (other than tinkering with things such as tax on plastic bags, where we're not the real culprits), could be a huge push-back.
Green party on migration:
"MG203 Richer regions and communities do not have the right to use migration controls to protect their privileges from others in the long term." "MG414 Transport providers must not be penalised for bringing people without the required visas, etc. to the UK" "MG453. .. Victims should not be subject to summary deportation or expulsion on the grounds of illegal or irregular entry into or residence in the country."
"MG454. The Government should grant a temporary right to stay in the country to anyone who has been trafficked or appears to have been trafficked. It should also recognise the right of those who have been trafficked to apply for a longer term or permanent immigration status, and should treat such an application on the same basis as others seeking to migrate"
Looks like pretty much open door to people smugglers.
MG203 - so you're quite happy with restricting migration _solely_ to keep poorer people poor? MG414 - how odd. The Green party not only protecting business, but protecting airlines etc... MG453 - en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/summary - adjectival definition 2. MG454 - "temporary". You also appear to have ignored all the other bits which go against your claim of "unrestricted", to take some bits out of context. As far as "open door to people smugglers", perhaps you didn't bother reading the rest of MG450-454, which is staunchly against people smugglers... and the causes of people smuggling.
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