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Post by captainconfident on May 13, 2019 18:04:33 GMT
Yeah, I'll stick to banging on about a carbon tax in future!
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Post by bracknellboy on May 13, 2019 19:03:02 GMT
My own view is that Governements were never very good at dealing with a catastrophe at this level,... .....
Dont disagree that people can do it themselves but it usually requires some central influence ... govt, press, charity etc to get the mass population to move ...
or David Attenborough, who's kinda like all those things rolled into one, with a dash of Mother Teresa (the good bits) to spice it up. Apparently.
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Post by bracknellboy on May 13, 2019 19:24:17 GMT
Anyway, apparently its National Vegetarian week. I'm not sure whether that means I'm meant to eat one, or be one. But I suspect the latter.
So I think i'm going to get that meat free faux shepherds pie I made 10 days or so ago out the freezer. It was very nice, right down to the sweet potato topping.
Must resist the temptation to get the home made oxtail stew out instead......
All I need to persuade me is to think of the comparative methane emissions involved....
Better go for the oxtail option then, and forget the lentils ... 
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Post by adrianc on May 13, 2019 19:49:06 GMT
meat free faux shepherds pie Who on earth sits on a hillside, trying to stop cauliflowers from straying?
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Post by bracknellboy on May 13, 2019 20:19:13 GMT
Who on earth sits on a hillside, trying to stop cauliflowers from straying? A border collie? oh that's good, that's very good.
I would like to make it clear however that no cauliflowers were harmed in the production of this particular meal.
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Post by macq on May 13, 2019 21:35:21 GMT
Anyway, apparently its National Vegetarian week. I'm not sure whether that means I'm meant to eat one, or be one. But I suspect the latter.
So I think i'm going to get that meat free faux shepherds pie I made 10 days or so ago out the freezer. It was very nice, right down to the sweet potato topping.
Must resist the temptation to get the home made oxtail stew out instead......
All I need to persuade me is to think of the comparative methane emissions involved....
Better go for the oxtail option then, and forget the lentils ...
its a bit spooky as the last thing i was reading before looking back at this thread and your post first,was about the New Zealand parliament talking over the last few days about zero emissions by 2050 and cutting biogenic methane emissions in agriculture( but hopefully the sweet potato was organic  )
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Post by cb25 on May 14, 2019 7:49:29 GMT
Article ( here) "It is vital to reach net zero emissions but not by pursuing a 2025 deadline" by Paul Johnson of the IFS and also member of the Committee on Climate Change.
I was particularly struck by his comments on ER's demand that we get to net zero emissions by 2025: "That is essentially impossible, or achievable only at such vast cost to, and impact on, our living standards that trying to do it would put back the case for genuine action for a generation and more."
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 8:33:07 GMT
Dunkerque
I would remind you that the history of the second world war was written by the government. Yes my uncle told me that they had a register of small ships, not for a potential deployment but so that they knew what the country had and where, which was normal at such a time and to get an idea of the crew. Many of the small ships were ordered away from the south east coast to protect them from Eboats. My father's was moved from Weymouth to Plymouth for example. My uncle's was ordered to move west of the Isle of wight and refused to go, as did many others. The navy finally realised they had this resource and tried to find navel officers who knew small craft to go into the ships, which was a disaster and many of the small ships went across after being instructed not to go. War is always messy and to claim the government organised much of this action is well ...wrong.
I understand that written evidence trumps verbal, but verbal in our family was pretty clear.
Now back to trying to keep Carbon in the ground.
The trouble with a 2050 target is that it too far away. Who aims to do things in 30 years time. "Darling, you know you always wanted to see Paris... well in 30 years I'll meet you on.." not even Hollywood would come up with a script like that. We need targets that are step changes and we need them so people can start investing now to hit them then.
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Post by adrianc on May 14, 2019 9:12:47 GMT
Dunkerque
I would remind you that the history of the second world war was written by the government. Yes my uncle told me that they had a register of small ships, not for a potential deployment but so that they knew what the country had and where, which was normal at such a time and to get an idea of the crew. Many of the small ships were ordered away from the south east coast to protect them from Eboats. My father's was moved from Weymouth to Plymouth for example. My uncle's was ordered to move west of the Isle of wight and refused to go, as did many others. The navy finally realised they had this resource and tried to find navel officers who knew small craft to go into the ships, which was a disaster and many of the small ships went across after being instructed not to go. War is always messy and to claim the government organised much of this action is well ...wrong. "Operation Dynamo" is well documented. Yes, most of the ~900 boats involved were "little ships" - most of which just acted as tenders between shore and the ~45 naval and some larger (already requisitioned) merchant ships that carried most of the ~350,000 evacuated (more than 2/3 of whom boarded at the harbour, not on the beaches).
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Post by captainconfident on May 14, 2019 11:06:13 GMT
Dunkerque
I would remind you that the history of the second world war was written by the government. Yes my uncle told me that they had a register of small ships, not for a potential deployment but so that they knew what the country had and where, which was normal at such a time and to get an idea of the crew. Many of the small ships were ordered away from the south east coast to protect them from Eboats. My father's was moved from Weymouth to Plymouth for example. My uncle's was ordered to move west of the Isle of wight and refused to go, as did many others. The navy finally realised they had this resource and tried to find navel officers who knew small craft to go into the ships, which was a disaster and many of the small ships went across after being instructed not to go. War is always messy and to claim the government organised much of this action is well ...wrong.
The history of the Second World War in this case written by Robert Jackson books.google.be/books?id=3uWcpIlb3D0C&pg=PT56&lpg=PT56&dq=may+14th+1940+register+admiralty&source=bl&ots=dE4fN55VLU&sig=ACfU3U3HvVikccQUcHeA_j5G0am2TB1UJQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZnrjZ7priAhXKGuwKHYk3DtYQ6AEwCHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=may%2014th%201940%20register%20admiralty&f=falseAccording to this the government did organise more then "much of this action", in fact you could say that they managed it brilliantly. And as promised, I need to link this to a carbon tax, so this proves without a doubt that the government could organise an effective carbon tax. QED! Job done! Although wasn't there a total cock-up, where the 123 000 evacuated French Soldiers were shipped straight from England and dropped off on the coast of France into near instant captivity ?
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Post by themushypea on May 15, 2019 13:11:51 GMT
 Not quite, i'll use the aeroplane emergency procedure analogy ........ "If the aircraft becomes depressurised, oxygen masks will fall from above....... ALWAYS ENSURE YOU PLACE YOUR OWN MASK ON BEFORE HELPING OTHERS TO FIT THEIR'S"  I'm surprised but I like that answer. I admit that I have the luxury of being environmentally alarmed because I am quite well off. I can buy an oxygen mask any time I need one. However I am quite well off because of my environmental inactivism, i.e. I chose not to have children. Here I find a contradiction in myself: As a childless person with only distant relatives, I have practically no investment in the future of the planet. When I'm gone, I'm gone. So in the words of the late great Jim Morrison, I should say "I'm going to get my kicks, before the whole shithouse goes up in flames". But I find myself deeply concerned, deeply in love with the natural world, to put it in a clumsy way. I feel terrible about the wrecking of the natural habitats of the animals, the extinction of unique animal species and ashamed to be a human being who contributed to it. I wonder where this comes from. So my forum friends, my plan is to use all my surplus capital to buy the biggest block of marginal farmland I can and rewild it. Preferably with a stream of river in it for wetland creation. I see this as the best way to give something back to the planet I have so much enjoyed living on and leave, if you like, a kind of memorial to my time spent here. I have about £1.5m for the project and if anyone reading likes this idea and would like to discuss adding to this fund and adding their name to this new nature reserve, please send me a PM. Hi there - is this for real? I have been buying small amounts of land for wildlife in a wetland Somerset and am looking to set something up to buy larger amounts (an organisation). I don't know if its something you would be interested in talking about more?
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Post by captainconfident on May 15, 2019 13:37:45 GMT
Yes, I'll send a PM (Personal Message - check your Messages tab of your account)
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Post by cb25 on May 16, 2019 8:06:39 GMT
"Labour reveals plans to fit solar panels to 1.75m homes" article here. "The party estimated the policy would create 16,900 jobs and save 7.1m tonnes of CO2 a year, equivalent to taking 4m cars off the roads."
Not sure if it's big enough to count as a bold move, but it's a start.
Would be better if it applied to all homes, not just social housing and low-income families, otherwise it could be seen as a taxpayer bung to the poor.
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Post by captainconfident on May 16, 2019 11:29:07 GMT
Freed from the constraints of the Lib Dems, this government scrapped zero emissions taargets for new build houses in 2015. www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/10/uk-scraps-zero-carbon-home-targetThis was in spite of the house building companies having spent years preparing to conform to this aim and objecting to the scrapping of the targets. “It is short-sighted, unnecessary, retrograde and damaging to the house-building industry, which has invested heavily in delivering energy-efficient homes,” Hirigoyen said. “Britain needs more housing but there is no justification for building homes with a permanent legacy of high energy bills.” Housebuilders, energy leaders and environmentalists were similarly critical of the move." Why did the Tories do it? It seemed bizarre atr the time, pandering to the climate change deniers. |
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Post by adrianc on May 16, 2019 11:33:17 GMT
Freed from the constraints of the Lib Dems, this government scrapped zero emissions taargets for new build houses in 2015. ... Why did the Tories do it? It seemed bizarre at the time, pandering to the climate change deniers. Just another example of how well the LDs kept the worst excesses of the Tories in check during the coalition, despite being outnumbered damn near 5.5:1
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Not quite, i'll use the aeroplane emergency procedure analogy ........ "If the aircraft becomes depressurised, oxygen masks will fall from above....... ALWAYS ENSURE YOU PLACE YOUR OWN MASK ON BEFORE HELPING OTHERS TO FIT THEIR'S" 