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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 20:01:27 GMT
Hardly rubbish, it has been on the news for months now... Even my local gym is sticking in solar, who wouldn't? Trusting your energy supply to a bunch of foreigners, you must be crazy
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Post by martin44 on Apr 28, 2023 20:04:55 GMT
Hardly rubbish, it has been on the news for months now... Even my local gym is sticking in solar, who wouldn't? Trusting your energy supply to a bunch of foreigners, you must be crazymy bold... please explain further. im with octopus ... Octopus Energy Group is a British renewable energy group specialising in sustainable energy. It was founded in 2015 with the backing of British fund management company Octopus Group, a British asset management company. education....https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/energy-companies/article/energy-company-reviews/octopus-energy-aESDM2a8ISWP
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 28, 2023 21:05:47 GMT
Hardly rubbish, it has been on the news for months now... Even my local gym is sticking in solar, who wouldn't? Trusting your energy supply to a bunch of foreigners, you must be crazymy bold... please explain further. im with octopus ... Octopus Energy Group is a British renewable energy group specialising in sustainable energy. It was founded in 2015 with the backing of British fund management company Octopus Group, a British asset management company. education....https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/energy-companies/article/energy-company-reviews/octopus-energy-aESDM2a8ISWP You do realise that the electricity you get off the grid from Octopus has the same generation mix as everyone else don't you ? They haven't built a special grid direct from 'their' generators to your house. Which means about 39% of your supply is renewables (Octopus's own figures), and the rest is not [52% if you include nuclear]. And presumably not all of that is generated directly within the UK as I guess there is some not insignificant proportion coming via e.g. the interconnector from Norway, which is almost, but not quite, entirely renewables. You do also understand that your (and indeed my) utility company being 'British' is almost, but not entirely, irrelevant in relation to 'trusting your energy supply to a bunch of foreigners' ? If you haven't figured out why, then consider the upstream supplier dependencies that the generators supplying your utility company have (or perhaps you've not noticed the issues the country has had due to dependency on foreign energy supplies). Actually, on reflection, its perhaps presumptive of me to think you already understand this. After all, there is the prior discourse on the related topic of smart meters which could be a yardstick. Still, food for thought and further investigation on your part if you were remotely interested.
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Post by keitha on Apr 28, 2023 21:24:56 GMT
You do realise that the electricity you get off the grid from Octopus has the same generation mix as everyone else don't you ? They haven't built a special grid direct from 'their' generators to your house. Which means about 39% of your supply is renewables (Octopus's own figures), and the rest is not [52% if you include nuclear]. And presumably not all of that is generated directly within the UK as I guess there is some not insignificant proportion coming via e.g. the interconnector from Norway, which is almost, but not quite, entirely renewables. LOL I have an Investment in Ripple you get people on the Forum asking how the grid stores "their energy" ready for them to use it. I regularly see people saying "all my electric is renewable because I have a green tariff" they are often shocked to be told "no you get the same electric as the rest of us" given it's 22:00 I would guess the amount of renewables is lower actually 49% Gas , 10.8% renewables, 20% transfers of which the majority is French, which will be nuclear grid.iamkate.com/#:~:text=National%20Grid%3A%20Live%201%2036.0%25%20fossil%20fuels%202,and%20exports%20Storage%20Pumped%20storage%200.02%200.1%20
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 21:59:30 GMT
Nuclear energy. Must go visit the UK uranium mines...
Shakes head. Have a great long weekend and come back refreshed.
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Post by iano on Apr 29, 2023 2:52:56 GMT
Nuclear energy. Must go visit the UK uranium mines... Shakes head. Have a great long weekend and come back refreshed. Ok, I'm absolutely with you on renewables - definitely a good thing, an essential thing to be sure. But I'm also a big fan of Nuclear for a reliable baseload (at least for the next 20-30 years), and if we're looking at mining things it's pretty disingenuous to talk about Uranium mines without talking about the resources needed to build and maintain renewables and their associated supporting infrastructure - especially so when discussing the resources needed for large scale energy storage, which any non-nuclear or fossil fuel system absolutely requires. Just to reiterate, we're not on opposite sides but the world is much more nuanced than wind, sunshine good, moderated neutrons bad. As far as I'm concerned we're stuck with both until storage technology improves dramatically and/or we finally get fusion (I'm reliably informed it's 20 years away).
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 29, 2023 5:59:23 GMT
Nuclear energy. Must go visit the UK uranium mines... Shakes head. Have a great long weekend and come back refreshed. Ok, I'm absolutely with you on renewables - definitely a good thing, an essential thing to be sure. But I'm also a big fan of Nuclear for a reliable baseload (at least for the next 20-30 years), and if we're looking at mining things it's pretty disingenuous to talk about Uranium mines without talking about the resources needed to build and maintain renewables and their associated supporting infrastructure - especially so when discussing the resources needed for large scale energy storage, which any non-nuclear or fossil fuel system absolutely requires. Just to reiterate, we're not on opposite sides but the world is much more nuanced than wind, sunshine good, moderated neutrons bad. As far as I'm concerned we're stuck with both until storage technology improves dramatically and/or we finally get fusion (I'm reliably informed it's 20 years away). It is more nuanced for sure. But the original line here was about dependence on "foreign supplies". And while nuclear may remove immediate short term dependence, it doesn't remove longer term dependence. Russia for example is a big supplier of uranium for commercial energy generation. France - with its high nuclear component (70%) - is heavily dependent on Ru for that purpose. On this note, i recall recently seeing that the UK, France, and ANO (can't remember who) had made some agreement to work together in order to loosen dependence on e.g. Russia. Though I may be misrecalling.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 29, 2023 6:38:02 GMT
Ok, I'm absolutely with you on renewables - definitely a good thing, an essential thing to be sure. But I'm also a big fan of Nuclear for a reliable baseload (at least for the next 20-30 years), and if we're looking at mining things it's pretty disingenuous to talk about Uranium mines without talking about the resources needed to build and maintain renewables and their associated supporting infrastructure - especially so when discussing the resources needed for large scale energy storage, which any non-nuclear or fossil fuel system absolutely requires. Just to reiterate, we're not on opposite sides but the world is much more nuanced than wind, sunshine good, moderated neutrons bad. As far as I'm concerned we're stuck with both until storage technology improves dramatically and/or we finally get fusion (I'm reliably informed it's 20 years away). It is more nuanced for sure. But the original line here was about dependence on "foreign supplies". And while nuclear may remove immediate short term dependence, it doesn't remove longer term dependence. Russia for example is a big supplier of uranium for commercial energy generation. France - with its high nuclear component (70%) - is heavily dependent on Ru for that purpose. On this note, i recall recently seeing that the UK, France, and ANO (can't remember who) had made some agreement to work together in order to loosen dependence on e.g. Russia. Though I may be misrecalling. as an adjunct to this I assume www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-france-partnership-to-bring-more-energy-security-and-independence
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Post by adrianc on Apr 30, 2023 11:12:57 GMT
A friend's just shared information on his domestic solar installation, after the first year...
His install cost may well have been reduced a bit because the (old) house was being re-roofed and re-wired anyway, but that's some pretty damn impressive numbers. Doesn't take account of his Octopus flexible tariff's surge pricing, either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2023 17:57:49 GMT
Our figures are similar. Now if we had a large roof, like a business and we had to pay more for our electricity like 45p, then we would be quids in.
What is interesting is you learn to maximise your income. So we don't run large appliances at the same time, but space them out over the day to maximise low level energy consumption that follows the sun. No energy consumption over night etc etc.
My sister, a lecturer in this subject has interviewed people all over the world and found that everyone modifies their energy usage to the movement of the sun if they have solar. Not rocket science, but getting employees in a business to do this would require communication.
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Post by keitha on Apr 30, 2023 23:03:14 GMT
I have Solar, from late March to mid October I have £0 electric bills.
My 3.6kWh system with a 5.2kWh battery cost me £7500
Based on last year
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I saved £500 on import, I was paid £650 for export so value is £1150 for the year.
Now on Octopus Flux, most of my import is < 20pkWh, export day rate is 23p, between 16:00 and 19:00 its 36.5P.
My year to date electric cost is £43, my electric bills for 2020/21/22 were £-850 the current high prices are massively reducing the pay back period.
my current plan is is to get an additional battery using savings later this year, the idea being that I will get through 95% of days even in the winter using the cheap import and storing it in my batteries
As at 17th May my electricity cost is almost £0 for the year ( including standing charge ) from now until mid October I expect to build a credit balance.
Well actually about end of June I will withdraw my balance and get the battery
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Post by martin44 on May 17, 2023 17:54:11 GMT
i got a cold call from (i assume) some solar panel co.... he asked me what my monthly electric bill was, i told him £60... he hung up.... thats not on... surely it should be me that has the moral obligation to hang up first.
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Post by keitha on May 17, 2023 18:14:34 GMT
Moral Right ... rather than obligation
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Post by martin44 on May 17, 2023 18:24:35 GMT
Moral Right ... rather than obligation scone.. scon.. 
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Post by agent69 on May 17, 2023 18:30:43 GMT
i got a cold call from (i assume) some solar panel co.... he asked me what my monthly electric bill was, i told him £60... he hung up.... thats not on... surely it should be me that has the moral obligation to hang up first. When I get calls like this I tell them to mind their own business.
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