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Post by captainconfident on Mar 29, 2024 16:09:50 GMT
It is if we take that attitude, and refuse to do anything to change the behaviour and consumption patterns that are causing it. Ada, you are pushing a snowball up hill in a heatwave . Go live in Doggerland. We are a microdot in the history of the planet . You are driven by misguided hubris. Man is born to die and vanish. As a child-free person in what I regard as late middle age, I completely agree with this. But my conscience won't let me stop regretting. It is the destruction of the most precious and delicate thing we received, the planet. Look at how lovely nature is. I can't shrug my shoulders and dismiss the cutting and burning, I find it painful.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 31, 2024 12:33:35 GMT
It is if we take that attitude, and refuse to do anything to change the behaviour and consumption patterns that are causing it. Ada, you are pushing a snowball up hill in a heatwave . Go live in Doggerland. We are a microdot in the history of the planet . You are driven by misguided hubris. Man is born to die and vanish. A heatwave of our own making. And whilst we might be a "microdot in the history", we are a seriously destructive one.
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Post by overthehill on Mar 31, 2024 16:31:31 GMT
It's not just about atmospheric temperature where you can go indoors or underground, it's about melting ice, air pollution, extreme weather, warming oceans, ecosystem destruction, hurricanes, fires, flooding, food security.
They are still putting fires out in Canada from last summer at the end of this winter, start of new fire season.
Climate change deniers, vaccine lunatics (ones still alive) and flat earth nutjobs, none of this low mentality would be such a problem if it wasn't for the unregulated internet. No one as stupid as these people would even have dreamt of trying to get on radio or TV 40 years ago, they would have been laughed at and told to FO.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 31, 2024 17:00:48 GMT
For me I don't know if it just natural change or the effect of men, but it really doesn't matter. If we can try to slow it we should, and if we can't it makes no difference.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 31, 2024 17:09:34 GMT
For me I don't know if it just natural change or the effect of men The scientific consensus is that it's unequivocally human-caused, and the historical temperature evidence makes it very clear. xkcd.com/1732/A little dated - 2016 - but we're basically following the worst case scenario of the three extrapolations. 
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Post by michaelc on Mar 31, 2024 18:12:29 GMT
For goodness sake. Are there no limits to the length of graphics or text members of the forum can use?
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Post by overthehill on Mar 31, 2024 19:41:58 GMT
Geological time for a new epoch.
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 1, 2024 8:34:57 GMT
For me I don't know if it just natural change or the effect of men, but it really doesn't matter. If we can try to slow it we should, and if we can't it makes no difference. I read the first part of that sentence expecting a different ending. If we didn't have a very credible causal explanation for how our we affect the planetary atmosphere, then there would be a reasonable question mark over that statement. But we do have. And so 'climate deniers' or 'do nothing because its too painful and I like being a frog', are essentially being utterly selfish with regard to the generations that follow us, and the other lifeforms on our planet. All because they can't stomach the idea of some changes to their lifestyles. The consensus though is not just that we have a very credible causal model, but that we are having a significant impact, not a neglible one. Could there be other factors in play as well ? Yes. But we don't know whether those are compounding or mitigating (there was talk not so long ago that the sun cycle was mitigating and would turn to compounding). Is that a reason not to mitigate our own impacts? No.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 1, 2024 8:46:03 GMT
For goodness sake. Are there no limits to the length of graphics or text members of the forum can use? Don't like the message, so whinge about the messenger?
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Post by warn on Apr 1, 2024 9:43:20 GMT
For goodness sake. Are there no limits to the length of graphics or text members of the forum can use? Don't like the message, so whinge about the messenger? The "whinge" wasn't about the messenger, it was about the medium. At least he was kind enough not to quote it, merely to reply 
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Post by james100 on Apr 1, 2024 10:08:39 GMT
For goodness sake. Are there no limits to the length of graphics or text members of the forum can use? Don't like the message, so whinge about the messenger? It's an excellent graphic - thank you for sharing - and makes me think most humans are ignorant, destructive wastes of space. I still laughed at michaels's post though so clearly not perfect myself!
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Post by rscal on Apr 1, 2024 10:11:56 GMT
King Charles and the Prophets of Doom: "I never saw a climate change I didn't like!"
[My favorite sound bit from the former VP 'Climate-Gore' would be: "we're trapping so much heat! the same as '600,000 Hiroshimas' EVERY day"
(Hmmm...)
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Post by adrianc on Apr 1, 2024 10:37:49 GMT
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Post by rscal on Apr 1, 2024 11:20:34 GMT
Another imaginary quote: "You DON'T have to be filthy rich to believe in climate change™ (but it helps)"
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 1, 2024 12:28:04 GMT
For goodness sake. Are there no limits to the length of graphics or text members of the forum can use? Don't like the message, so whinge about the messenger? I took michaelc's post to be funny, whether intended or not. It is however an excellent graphic and I'm glad you have re-posted it. You posted it some considerable time back and I thought it was a really good illustration then. But had not been able to find it out on the web.
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