ilmoro
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'Wondering which of the bu***rs to blame, and watching for pigs on the wing.' - Pink Floyd
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 30, 2019 22:33:53 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
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Post by martin44 on Apr 30, 2019 22:36:28 GMT
apparently im trying to ban something that i donate £3 a month to...  |
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Post by martin44 on Apr 30, 2019 22:42:19 GMT
The donkeys feet are costin me a fortune...  |
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macq
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Post by macq on May 1, 2019 7:10:22 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
So that's what that guy was doing with a sheep when i walked past the field the other night? And millions of humans eating extra Brussels sprouts may be a bigger problem
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cb25
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Post by cb25 on May 1, 2019 9:02:51 GMT
According to this Germany (at 2.21%, 2017) is the only EU country to make it into the top ten of world's biggest emitters of CO2, so EU plans are unlikely to put a big dent in global emissions.
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radar
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Post by radar on May 1, 2019 9:22:29 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
I am not an expert by any means, but I suspect that one landfill site will give off more methane than all the sheep in Wales
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Post by bracknellboy on May 1, 2019 9:35:28 GMT
According to this Germany (at 2.21%, 2017) is the only EU country to make it into the top ten of world's biggest emitters of CO2, so EU plans are unlikely to put a big dent in global emissions. not read the article, but surely this comment is a bit sloppy, even possibly deliberately misleading ?
a) the EU has at least tried to be a leader for quite a few years in cutting CO2 emissions. Future targets would therefore de facto have a lower impact because of progress to date.
b) from what I can see (checked a single source only), in 2016 Germany accounted for a fifth of EU CO2 emissions. That in turn would mean the EU would account for 11%. And according to your own link that would mean the EU sits 3rd in the table. [Leaving aside for the moment impact of Brexit on those numbers, and I don't mean in relation to the amount of hot air].
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2019 9:44:49 GMT
China is, of course, number 1 - just over a quarter of the world's CO2 emissions (despite "only" just under a fifth of the world's population... so about 46% above average emissions). They're taking substantial steps internally.
The US is number 2 - 14.6% of emissions, 4.3% of population, so 3.4x average. And they're refusing to do anything...
So the EU at number 3... 6.8% of world population, so 11% of emissions means 62% above average, or only 11% worse than China, despite China having many millions living in totally undeveloped rural poverty, emitting very little.
Still not good enough, though.
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Post by batchoy on May 1, 2019 9:55:07 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
Though, recent research has shown that using animal waste on the land helps to fight climate change: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48043134
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cb25
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Post by cb25 on May 1, 2019 10:16:59 GMT
Lot of EU data here (shows EU third largest greenhouse gas emitter 2012, UK looks to be second after Germany) and here (UK third behind Germany and France in 2016). Article from second link (written 2018) says "Early estimates however, show that greenhouse gas emissions in the EU increased in 2017", more here
link (PDF) states "According to Eurostat estimates, CO2 emissions rose in 2017 in a majority of EU Member States" (UK being one of the good guys, with a 3.2% decrease)
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2019 10:18:07 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
Though, recent research has shown that using animal waste on the land helps to fight climate change: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48043134"Natural fertiliser better than artificial"... Hold the front page.
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cb25
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Post by cb25 on May 1, 2019 10:51:12 GMT
Im assuming that shortly ER will be off to glue themselves to sheep. Hope everyone likes vegetables
Though, recent research has shown that using animal waste on the land helps to fight climate change: www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48043134That BBC article says (point 3) "One 2017 study co-authored by Lund University’s Nicholas.." links to this which states "From analyzing 148 scenarios of the climate impact of individual behaviours in ten individual countries ... we have identified a dozen actions, including four recommended actions that are of substantial magnitude throughout the developed world ...: having one fewer child, living car free, avoiding air travel, and eating a plant-based diet"
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Back on planet 'climate change, what climate change?' we have "Heathrow campaigners lose challenge against third runway" link
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:31:01 GMT
Get on with your life....boiled frog, see comments above Saudi oil minister "we didn't leave the stone age 'cause we ran out of stone" Yes - people are getting on with their lives. Maybe you are right about climate change soon to destroy life as we have known it. Reality is that if you are right we wont do anywhere near enough to prevent it and if in 10 years time we are boiling eggs on our doorsteps (if they are not 100m under water) in winter then it will happen. The UK has made huge reductions in carbon emissions from power generation, to build nuclear power stations takes decades though and unless you are planning on making people not have the lights and heating on just what is your solution? I am sure you have good intentions, but personally I think your time would be better spent on focusing on things within your control. If climate change wipes out mankind in 10 years time I cannot control. If I work hard at my job and look after my family well I can. What I can assure you is that is climate change is to be tackled it will be by innovation not by people who have no jobs telling others going to work what awful people they are for getting on a tube train. WellI don't see large nuclear as a real solution, too slow to build too susceptable to cost over-run. I do see small ones like the RR submarine ones being sensible. I also see reduced energy use, LED, insulation, heat pumps etc as easy to do. I do see wind/solar/sea and energy storage (like tanks of oil only in batteries in cars parked on forecourts or hydrogen/NH4 tanks) and that technology is already here and working. In fact I have loaned money via P2P to do just this. Also injection of H2 into CH4 pipelines is a doddle and will be in the Leeds area from 2022. So there is lots to do that just needs a steer and no new exciting technology.
Then there is some people "stuff" to do. A movement towards less meat has a significant benefit for the nations/families health and reduced CO2. A movement away from using a car for every journey towards bike/foot/hydrogen bus/tube etc is a real benefit and some of that also requires some modification to infrastructure and people mind set. But again, nothing big.
I'vealso worked hard for my money and I make more money now not using a car than I ever did using one. I too thought is impossible but I had some serious thoughts and restructured m life to cut back on CO2 production. It would be interesting to compare say CO2 production driving to a cinema to watch a film compared to streaming it. I suspect you would be amazed at the overall CO2 and £ saving.
I don't think the protestors wanted you to stop using a tube, they wanted you to start to think and debate the future for your family.
What I do know is that if 100% of the population said "it's too hard" it will be. But if a majority keep working at it we might turn the corner.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:33:42 GMT
According to this Germany (at 2.21%, 2017) is the only EU country to make it into the top ten of world's biggest emitters of CO2, so EU plans are unlikely to put a big dent in global emissions. There are a number of measures, the easy one is what CO2 is generated in the country. The harder ones include all international transport ending in a country and the CO2 embodied in the goods imported into the country. When you add the second two there are some real opportunites.
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cb25
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Post by cb25 on May 1, 2019 11:35:30 GMT
According to this Germany (at 2.21%, 2017) is the only EU country to make it into the top ten of world's biggest emitters of CO2, so EU plans are unlikely to put a big dent in global emissions. There are a number of measures, the easy one is what CO2 is generated in the country. The harder ones include all international transport ending in a country and the CO2 embodied in the goods imported into the country. When you add the second two there are some real opportunites. That would again seem to come back to China (though I'm not saying the EU doesn't have any role to play)
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