Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 1, 2019 18:43:21 GMT
Hi several updates today were “ Following a number of borrower meetings, we have met with the borrower for this loan today. We are in the process of collating the information and details gained and we will update all investors in due course.“
Is this just a generic update or worrying conclusion they are all the same borrower.
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james21
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Post by james21 on Apr 1, 2019 18:50:53 GMT
must be same borrower, sooner FCA regulate ptop the better in disclosing same borrower. Lendy do the same, disgraceful and valueless to lenders
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Post by rogerthat on Apr 1, 2019 19:43:57 GMT
That's the trouble with sleight of hand or even economy with the truth...sooner or later things will out and the brown stuff hits the fan and all trust is lost, never to be regained. Hiding behind the glib mantra of "Borrower Confidentiality", which lets face it was nothing more than a deliberate attempt to obscure the actual cumulative risks involved, has come back to haunt them.
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Post by paulb on Apr 1, 2019 20:16:39 GMT
Looking at the loans which have been updated, it looks like mrclondon has already linked them (see here)
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Post by jcm9000 on Apr 2, 2019 8:10:12 GMT
I'm still scratching my hungover face wondering what the update means. Reminds me a little bit of 'if you notice this notice you will notice it is not worth noticing'.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 2, 2019 9:46:43 GMT
I'm still scratching my hungover face wondering what the update means. Reminds me a little bit of 'if you notice this notice you will notice it is not worth noticing'. Let's have 8 indicative votes to decide what it means
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Post by pip on Apr 2, 2019 10:39:58 GMT
Hi several updates today were “ Following a number of borrower meetings, we have met with the borrower for this loan today. We are in the process of collating the information and details gained and we will update all investors in due course.“ Is this just a generic update or worrying conclusion they are all the same borrower. Still making over 13%?
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Post by charliebrown on Apr 2, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
Patronising updates. Totally meaningless, grammatically incorrect, drivel.
The only conclusion I can draw is that when they do inform us “in due course” it’s definitely not going to be good news. I have far more exposure to LY than to FS which is why I’m more vocal about LY being a disgrace to humanity, but frankly FS are as bad or worse.
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Post by mjc on Apr 2, 2019 22:08:06 GMT
That's the trouble with sleight of hand or even economy with the truth...sooner or later things will out and the brown stuff hits the fan and all trust is lost, never to be regained. Hiding behind the glib mantra of "Borrower Confidentiality", which lets face it was nothing more than a deliberate attempt to obscure the actual cumulative risks involved, has come back to haunt them. Quite so. We know they don’t do what they say, but they could say what they intend to do. That is to say: tell the borrowers “we will disclose your name to lenders. They are the principal, we are merely their agents” Most other platforms do. The trustworthy ones do, it’s called transparency. God, I’d rather have one meaningful vote not 8 bleedin indicative votes me’lud! CharlieB, apart from LCF who were in a class of their own, Lendy and FS are a disgrace (imv) to the p2p industry, with no remorse.
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Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 3, 2019 2:39:05 GMT
Hi several updates today were “ Following a number of borrower meetings, we have met with the borrower for this loan today. We are in the process of collating the information and details gained and we will update all investors in due course.“ Is this just a generic update or worrying conclusion they are all the same borrower. Still making over 13%? No 16% on loans repaid overall. There haven’t been many this year a few over 20% keep it at reasonable rate. Can’t think of any losses on recently completed loans that I had exposure to. If you are implying this borrower won’t be paying back My exposure to all loans total is less than 2%. With lots of security I doubt there would be an overall loss if FS were to foreclose and sell assets.
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Post by pip on Apr 3, 2019 8:27:47 GMT
No 16% on loans repaid overall. There haven’t been many this year a few over 20% keep it at reasonable rate. Can’t think of any losses on recently completed loans that I had exposure to. If you are implying this borrower won’t be paying back My exposure to all loans total is less than 2%. With lots of security I doubt there would be an overall loss if FS were to foreclose and sell assets. I hope you are now realising that % made on repaid loans does not equate long term to your return. And as I have said many times before diversification only gets you closer to the average return and does not increase your return above this. I am pleased you clearly have a lot of confidence in FS’ ability to recover overdue loans, which I am sure, like the rest of us you are drowning in. I hope you are right, far too early to though say with any confidence you are making 16%.
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Post by arby on Apr 3, 2019 8:55:25 GMT
No 16% on loans repaid overall. There haven’t been many this year a few over 20% keep it at reasonable rate. Can’t think of any losses on recently completed loans that I had exposure to. If you are implying this borrower won’t be paying back My exposure to all loans total is less than 2%. With lots of security I doubt there would be an overall loss if FS were to foreclose and sell assets. I hope you are now realising that % made on repaid loans does not equate long term to your return. And as I have said many times before diversification only gets you closer to the average return and does not increase your return above this. I am pleased you clearly have a lot of confidence in FS’ ability to recover overdue loans, which I am sure, like the rest of us you are drowning in. I hope you are right, far too early to though say with any confidence you are making 16%. You're partly right, but not fully. Diversification only gets you closer to the average if you don't do any loan selection. If you combine diversification with good (or lucky) loan selection which avoids some of the riskier loans then you can get above average returns.
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 3, 2019 9:09:23 GMT
Absolutely but if you are unlucky...how easy is it to be lucky given how little information we are given about a lot of these loans. I had 6 "diversified" art loans which weren't diversified and weren't even properly secured - not very lucky there was I!
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pip
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Post by pip on Apr 3, 2019 12:25:32 GMT
I hope you are now realising that % made on repaid loans does not equate long term to your return. And as I have said many times before diversification only gets you closer to the average return and does not increase your return above this. I am pleased you clearly have a lot of confidence in FS’ ability to recover overdue loans, which I am sure, like the rest of us you are drowning in. I hope you are right, far too early to though say with any confidence you are making 16%. You're partly right, but not fully. Diversification only gets you closer to the average if you don't do any loan selection. If you combine diversification with good (or lucky) loan selection which avoids some of the riskier loans then you can get above average returns. Arby I take your point but diversification and selective investment strategies are not the same things. To be fully diversified means that you should get the average returns of all investors as your portfolio will reflect the average. By definition the more selective you are with your investments the less diversified they will be as you will procactively choose to not invest in investments which do not meet a criteria. Most investors will pick some middle ground between being fully diversified and only picking investments you truly believe in. The issue with the latter is that firstly it takes a lot of time to research all these investments and secondly most investors tend to hugely overrate their ability to identify good and bad investments. It’s even questionable if fund managers do much better than a monkey choosing randomly, so what hope does the average Joe have? Luckily the research shows that to get most of the benefits of diversification, namely your return will be largely in line with average return, requires a surprising few amount of investments about 10-20 depending on the spread of sectors. To come back to the original point, if Godanubis has the level of diversification he claims, then how on Earth is he also employing a selective strategy? And a selective strategy that is so successful he is returning 16% while mugs like me are staring at huge losses. The answer predictably is he is doing some misleading accounting, booking his profits up front and not recognising losses for two years.
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 3, 2019 13:55:30 GMT
surely not !
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