oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Oct 22, 2014 16:25:37 GMT
I suggest AC specify which account to leave it in when they send out the request to settle the shadow bids chris ? And surely the cash account is the best place since there'd be no risk of it being used for something else unbeknownst to the lender. That is what I want. Just as before.
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Post by baz657 on Oct 22, 2014 16:31:39 GMT
Finding out now what is going to happen and how shadow bids are to be paid is too late. All this should have been sorted before the switch over so that every shadow account holder knew and was clear on where to keep their stash safe so some (or all) of it wouldn't get "reinvested" by the system if you had it in the wrong account.
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Post by batchoy on Oct 22, 2014 20:55:20 GMT
Unfortunately andrewholgate I have had to select 'very bad' as there isn't the option to I need, namely 'Drove me to seriously consider withdrawing from the platform' which is the current position I am in and unless the Statement issue and the Auto invest issue are resolved pretty quickly or there is a clear statement of intent with details of what AC intend doing rather than holding wish washy polls to cover their backsides on a fundamental error of judgement and with definite timescales (not that AC are renowned for keeping to timescales) my money will be exiting the platform. As of last night I took the decision to make no further transfers of money in to AC, any outstanding bids being settled from sales of existing holdings and to cease reinvestment of repayments and interest pending the outcome of these killer issues that are core to the platform. The next stage being to make a phased withdrawal from the platform, followed by a straight sale and withdrawal.
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2014 21:25:16 GMT
Unfortunately andrewholgate I have had to select 'very bad' as there isn't the option to I need, namely 'Drove me to seriously consider withdrawing from the platform' which is the current position I am in and unless the Statement issue and the Auto invest issue are resolved pretty quickly or there is a clear statement of intent with details of AC what intend doing rather than holding wish washy polls to cover their backsides on a fundamental error of judgement and with definite timescales (not that AC are renowned for keeping to timescales) my money will be exiting the platform. As of last night I took the decision to make no further transfers of money in to AC, any outstanding bids being settled from sales of existing holdings and to cease reinvestment of repayments and interest pending the outcome of these killer issues that are core to the platform. The next stage being to make a phased withdrawal from the platform, followed by a straight sale and withdrawal. +1 Why have we got to work so damn hard at this?
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Post by Mike on Oct 23, 2014 3:01:23 GMT
To give this thread a bit more balance, I will say the following:
What I have now, if I understand it correctly, is better than what I had before.
Design aside (just as well), the ability to split loan 'parts' up and the change of practise when it comes to tying up funds pre-drawdown are both steps forward, and while I can understand peoples niggles about other aspects I personally feel that at least it's two steps forward one step back. And that step back can mostly be fixed or changed in the coming weeks - I don't think this is panic stations just yet.
I voted 'OK' - mostly because I don't have very strong feelings about it and feel it's fine. I don't expect to have complete control over my investments in cases like this, if I wanted complete control I would start my own group of investors and lend to businesses on terms tailored to my requirements exactly. But I use AC (and others) and so I cannot expect to have full control over every aspect of my money; there is an element of trust and also acceptance that not everything is customisable on every platform.
My main gripe is the search filters - but that comes with my above comment; it comes with the platform, which no-one is forcing me to use, and is an improvement on no filters.
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Post by ianb on Oct 23, 2014 3:54:55 GMT
I voted 'good', but I really think they way it has been launched has been very poor. If the new system had been piloted for a couple of days to a small number of users most all the big issues would have been picked up and could have been addressed before putting it out to the wider community (maybe there was some target date that needed to be hit and time ran short ?). And the lack of any kind of documentation (and the 'tour' was so minimal not to count) left everyone having to discover the same issues for themselves, wasting investors time and AC's. The software has a number of nice bells and whistles - like the customisable dashboard, the avatar (too small though), the thing at the bottom of the dashboard about reinvesting funds - but was there any kind of hint about these ? was there buggery. I'm sure the software will get better and hope the major issues will be fixed quickly (AI (not sure what MAI is...) and statements) and that AC will have learnt from the experience.
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Post by gnasher on Oct 23, 2014 5:48:31 GMT
I would also like to give this thread a bit more balance. Clearly the poll shows that a majority thought it was good, but as ever when it comes to comments in forums the negatives tend to dominate; that is just the way it is. So I would like to say : Fantastic job; well done.... and I hope nobody minds me shouting that bit.
Yes certainly there are some teething problems, things you would do differently with hindsight, and with a change of this scale there will always be a number of users who do not like it. However if we just step back from those and view the whole picture then I think it has gone remarkably well.
At the strategic/design level AC is breaking new ground here like nobody else (... that I know of, but I do not use all p2x platforms). Your willingness to innovate and try new things like pre-bids and shadow bids is very encouraging, as is your decision to ditch them and try something else that you think will work better. You are moving very fast, and in a very professional way, while some of your competition seems to be stuck in the mud.
Also the way that you have engaged with your users in this forum during the implementation has been nothing short of unbelievable. You have set the bar very high for your competition.
You have a track record of recognising and addressing problems very quickly and I have confidence that the software will soon improve with various bug fixes, format changes and yet more functionality. The contrast with the recent update at RS could not be more stark.
And to all my fellow lenders I would just like to say there has been some fantastic input and suggestions but perhaps the time has come to cut them a bit of slack and let them get on with it. If anyone knows another p2X site that is even better than AC, let me know.
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Post by geoffrey on Oct 23, 2014 7:20:59 GMT
I agree with gnasher that while the gremlins have popped up -- almost inevitably -- given the scale of the changes, and the overall simplification to the way lenders use the system, allowing the complexity to be handled by the system, this is overall very positive. The communication of intentions and of the desire to fix things as quickly as possible (super-humanly, actually), has been excellent. I ticked "good" for all these reasons. The reason I didn't tick "very good" is that it seems that the site could have done with a longer testing period, with dummy data. As the old system wasn't, as far as I can tell, "broken", there was no reason to rush the implementation of the new one. Of course there may have been a reason we're not aware of. That would be my only criticism. I am, however, confident that the gremlins can, and will, be squashed.
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Post by jo on Oct 23, 2014 7:49:45 GMT
If I may give a bit more balance to the thread, I would suggest that my pre-announcing the purpose of this post as being to 'give more balance' to this thread don't necessarily make it so.
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Post by TFTO on Oct 23, 2014 8:13:40 GMT
At the strategic/design level AC is breaking new ground here like nobody else (... that I know of, but I do not use all p2x platforms). Your willingness to innovate and try new things like pre-bids and shadow bids is very encouraging, as is your decision to ditch them and try something else that you think will work better. You are moving very fast, and in a very professional way, while some of your competition seems to be stuck in the mud.
Haven't AC dumped this stuff because it was a pain for them to operate - not to mention all the moans about slow drawdown etc. And I must say that your balanced view seems a little one-sided to be balanced. The new site may turn out to be OK but it certainly is not fantastic.
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Post by batchoy on Oct 23, 2014 8:34:56 GMT
I simply do not understand how people can say that this was anything but an atrocious upgrade, andrewholgate and his team have unilaterally, without notification, consultation or my express consent taken it upon themselves to reverse my instructions to the platform both implicit and explicit, with the result that the platform has purchased loan parts which I neither wanted nor instructed it to buy and which as of this point I have do not appear to have been able to sell. On top of this we have chris repeatedly claiming that there is no change in functionality when there blatantly is.
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Post by merlin on Oct 23, 2014 9:41:53 GMT
I have been away for a couple of days so missed the launch. I have just spent about an hour browsing the new system and as I would have expected IMHO currently it is still a bit of a Curates Egg. No doubt it will improve as the obvious bugs are got out of the system and people (me included) get used to using it.
Many people hate change of any sort so there was always going to be some negative comments what ever the new platform was like. However as stated on many previous posts my current view is that the platform is far too complex for new users to handle. Maybe when a simple guide is produced I might change my view.
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Post by batchoy on Oct 23, 2014 10:16:01 GMT
I have been away for a couple of days so missed the launch. I have just spent about an hour browsing the new system and as I would have expected IMHO currently it is still a bit of a Curates Egg. No doubt it will improve as the obvious bugs are got out of the system and people (me included) get used to using it.
Many people hate change of any sort so there was always going to be some negative comments what ever the new platform was like. However as stated on many previous posts my current view is that the platform is far too complex for new users to handle. Maybe when a simple guide is produced I might change my view. If you want to do something as simple as buying loans and managing them in the way that you want as you could pre-upgrade it as become a horrendously complex and time consuming process: Step One: Turn of automatic reinvestment of income by setting the Manual Lending Account (MLA) to 'Withdraw repayments and interest'. Step Two: Check every single loan in your loan book to ensure that the Manual Auto Investment (MAI) target is set where you want it to be. i.e. equal to your holding if you don't want to buy more, less than your holding if you want to sell, and greater than your holding if you want to buy more. You will need a calculator for this as any adjustments have to be entered as an adjustment not the end target. At the same time keep a tally of the increases and decreases so that you know whether you will need to add funds to your MLA and if so by how much. Step Three: Go to the loan book and make the appropriate adjustments to the MAI targets for the loans that you wish to make first time purchases of. Again keep a tally and add it to the total from Step Two, if this total is positive then this is the amount of funds that will be need to be added to the MLA. Step Four: If there are insufficient funds in your Cash Account (CA) to cover the increased requirement in the MLA transfer go to Step Five, if there are sufficient funds transfer then from the CA to the MLA and wait for the process to happen. END Step Five: Initiate the transfer funds from your bank and wait (several days) for the funds to arrive in your CA. Step Six: Once the funds arrive go to Step Two. Each time you want to make a purchase or a sale start the process at Step Two. NB: Never undo Step One otherwise you could find yourself increasing your holding of loans that you don't want to increase your holds of. Note I have not fully tested the process but this is how I believe the simple purchase of parts in a new loan works from the work I have done so far. With my current loan book and assuming sufficient funds on my CA I estimate about an hour to an hour and half should see me put a request in to purchase parts in a new loan and that is on top of the time taken to do my DD and made the decision to lake part in the loan. Obviously as my loan book grows (if I stick with the platform) this time will increase. EDIT: Please note these process notes have been further refined, an up to date version can be found here: www.p2pindependentforum.com/post/26006
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Post by Neil on Oct 23, 2014 10:22:50 GMT
And I must say that your balanced view seems a little one-sided to be balanced. I believe gnasher was trying to balance the thread by adding a positive point of view. I simply do not understand how people can say that this was anything but an atrocious upgrade Probably because everybody has a different method when it comes to investing on a P2P platform. As I said in my previous post, I will probably be adding further cash to my account as I feel the new website will better suit my needs. The simplified approach works well for me although I can appreciate everyone has different needs & expectations. Having the ability to purchase units for any amount will help me to diversify my small portfolio. Previously, the majority of units on the after market were for £100 which was a limiting factor. I find the new website simpler and more approachable. When P2P ISA's come online I imagine there will be much more interest in all the P2P platforms. The platforms that are easy to use and that support lenders (of all sizes) who want to "invest and forget" will do quite well I imagine. I see this new design as AC's way of positioning for the future. They might lose a few people along the way but gain thousands in the future. What do I know though?!
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Post by Jack Barlow on Oct 23, 2014 11:09:03 GMT
Step Two: Check every single loan in your loan book to ensure that the Manual Auto Investment (MAI) target is set where you want it to be. i.e. equal to your holding if you don't want to buy more, less than your holding if you want to sell, and greater than your holding if you want to buy more. You will need a calculator for this as any adjustments have to be entered as an adjustment not the end target. At the same time keep a tally of the increases and decreases so that you know whether you will need to add funds to your MLA and if so by how much. batchoy, I would have thought that, to absolutely guarantee that the cash transferred into the MLI account remains available to purchase the specific new loan you are targetting, you would need to make sure that none of your targets on the other loans are greater than your holding until you've made the purchase.
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