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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2020 16:02:14 GMT
<waits for the usual "Ah, but they're all born to immigrants">
Strangely, nobody who trots that one out has ever been able to give me an exchange rate of the value of "immigrant babies" to "Proper British Babies"...
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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2020 16:04:33 GMT
Until the per-head-of-population CO2 emissions comes down...
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Post by michaelc on Jan 21, 2020 16:10:13 GMT
<waits for the usual "Ah, but they're all born to immigrants"> Strangely, nobody who trots that one out has ever been able to give me an exchange rate of the value of "immigrant babies" to "Proper British Babies"... I think you're likely on the wrong forum if you want that kind of reply. My comment about difficulty in the UK with bringing up children is anecdotal and due to my own experience particularly around the quality of childcare. Its also cultural though and how much a society values having children or not.
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Post by cb25 on Jan 21, 2020 16:31:57 GMT
Until the per-head-of-population CO2 emissions comes down...
Interesting chart.
CarbonBrief lists the UK (in 2017) as the 3rd highest CO2 importer, with imports shown as 36% of domestic CO2 production and reports "Between 1990 and 2014, UK domestic CO2 production emissions have fallen 27%. However, more than half of that reduction is offset by imported emissions from other countries, with consumption emissions only declining by 11% over the same period.". i.e. some of our savings are due to having outsourced a lot of manufacturing to the likes of China (biggest CO2 exporter), though the article does go on to say "Since 2007, however, imported carbon emissions have remained roughly constant in the UK and actually declined slightly in the US. There is not much evidence that reductions over the past decade have been offset by outsourcing of manufacturing in most countries."
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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2020 16:40:05 GMT
Isn't it? Took me a while for it to make mental sense. Then... <BING!>
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Post by cb25 on Jan 21, 2020 16:41:13 GMT
Back to the BBC, "5 Things You Need To Know Before You Have Kids" 1. A 2017 study suggested that having one fewer child could save 58 tonnes a year of CO2-equivalent emissions. 2. The UN predicts that the world’s population is expected to continue growing to around 10 billion people by 2050. 3. Most of the growth in population in the last thirty years is expected to come from Africa – but the average American, for example, currently has a much higher carbon footprint. 4. Although the human population is growing, the rate of growth has been slowing, and the average birth rate across the world is actually falling. 5. Female education and access to contraception are two interventions that have been shown to bring the birth rate down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 17:22:32 GMT
The "who smelt it dealt it", theory of who generates CO2 is missing the point. Imagine a German designer comes up with a product, gets it made in China and it sells in the USA. Who caused the CO2?
Well clearly it wasn't us Brits, but who was it?
You do need to read this site which looks at planned power stations.
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Post by keitha on Jan 21, 2020 17:40:45 GMT
The "who smelt it dealt it", theory of who generates CO2 is missing the point. Imagine a German designer comes up with a product, gets it made in China and it sells in the USA. Who caused the CO2?
Well clearly it wasn't us Brits, but who was it?
You do need to read this site which looks at planned power stations. in that case I'd definitely blame the Belgians
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Post by mikeh on Jan 21, 2020 18:25:48 GMT
That blue graph illustrates the change from heating the house by a coal fire in the living room to gas central heating perfectly. Mid sixties for my family of origin.
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Post by Godanubis on Jan 21, 2020 18:38:38 GMT
<waits for the usual "Ah, but they're all born to immigrants"> Strangely, nobody who trots that one out has ever been able to give me an exchange rate of the value of "immigrant babies" to "Proper British Babies"... If the non vegan and vegetarians ate a baby proper British or not cooked in a solar oven we could cut CO2 production and feed the starving. Put in lots of veg and the supplies will drop and we would get rid of those pesky veggie types that moan all the time as the starve to death as there is nothing for them to eat. And nowhere to grow it. The rest of us can enjoy a nice bit of fish or lamb fed on seaweed. When we run out of babies we start on life prisoners.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2020 18:53:37 GMT
Back to the BBC, "5 Things You Need To Know Before You Have Kids" 1. A 2017 study suggested that having one fewer child could save 58 tonnes a year of CO2-equivalent emissions. 2. The UN predicts that the world’s population is expected to continue growing to around 10 billion people by 2050. 3. Most of the growth in population in the last thirty years is expected to come from Africa – but the average American, for example, currently has a much higher carbon footprint. 4. Although the human population is growing, the rate of growth has been slowing, and the average birth rate across the world is actually falling. 5. Female education and access to contraception are two interventions that have been shown to bring the birth rate down. There are, of course, two sides to increasing population. One is babies. The other is old people. We tend to regard old people living longer as a good thing - which, of course, it is from the point of view of the old person in question... But as well as the pensions crisis, and increasing dependence on very expensive NHS machines that go ping, they tend to clutter the place up a bit.
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Post by keitha on Jan 21, 2020 19:03:09 GMT
Well just to make a point ( and I'm being sardonic ) to reduce the birth rate we ban people from having sex on a Thursday as more births are on Thursday than any other day and we all know a woman is pregnant for exactly 40 weeks. Assuming Everything bar white British ( So includes "others" and "not declared" ) and assuming that the bigots can't see a difference betwixt white races the whites in England and Wales 467,000 births the rest 188,000. So we are not being swamped. All sorts of interesting data here birth data
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Post by Godanubis on Jan 21, 2020 21:52:35 GMT
Back to the BBC, "5 Things You Need To Know Before You Have Kids" 1. A 2017 study suggested that having one fewer child could save 58 tonnes a year of CO2-equivalent emissions. 2. The UN predicts that the world’s population is expected to continue growing to around 10 billion people by 2050. 3. Most of the growth in population in the last thirty years is expected to come from Africa – but the average American, for example, currently has a much higher carbon footprint. 4. Although the human population is growing, the rate of growth has been slowing, and the average birth rate across the world is actually falling. 5. Female education and access to contraception are two interventions that have been shown to bring the birth rate down. There are, of course, two sides to increasing population. One is babies. The other is old people. We tend to regard old people living longer as a good thing - which, of course, it is from the point of view of the old person in question... But as well as the pensions crisis, and increasing dependence on very expensive NHS machines that go ping, they tend to clutter the place up a bit. A nice little pandemic solves both as the very young and the old are usually the hardest hit. On a lighter note if a millennial annoys you just tell them how nice it was to retire in your 50’s
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Post by adrianc on Jan 21, 2020 22:53:55 GMT
On a lighter note if a millennial annoys you just tell them how nice it was to retire in your 50’s I wouldn't know. I've not hit 50 yet, boomer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 23:23:52 GMT
Who waited until their 50s, I got out in my 40s.
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