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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2020 10:38:10 GMT
It also remains the case that it is overwhelmingly the old and already ill that are in danger. The people panicking the most (the younger and well) are those who aren't at risk from much other than the panic and all its logistical and financial manifestations, and perhaps an overwhelmed health service if they get ill from something else in the interim. Ok, now this is starting to sound slightly psychopathic. I mean, god forbid that us 'younger and well' people might have elderly relatives, or sick spouses or friends that are in 'at-risk' categories and that we are rather fond of and would prefer did not die. Or even worse, die after being infected by us personally because we were complacent. No one is talking about being complacent - from the outset I said sensible precautions. I'm seeing panic which is harmful in itself. If you are worried about elderly or sick relatives then there are many many more things to worry about that this. To take just one frequently mentioned example, elderly relatives are much more likely to die from flu - were people as worried about that each year? Or were they "slightly psychopathic" for ignoring those other risks?
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2020 10:53:23 GMT
Latest 'flu jab uptake figures:
adults aged 65 or older: 72.0%
adults in at-risk groups: 48.0%
pregnant women: 45.2%
children aged 2: 43.8%
children aged 3: 45.9%
So large proportions of the population seem very happy taking the risk of them or their vulnerable loved ones being unvaccinated against 'flu.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 10:54:06 GMT
No one is talking about being complacent - from the outset I said sensible precautions. I'm seeing panic which is harmful in itself. If you are worried about elderly or sick relatives then there are many many more things to worry about that this. To take just one frequently mentioned example, elderly relatives are much more likely to die from flu - were people as worried about that each year? Or were they "slightly psychopathic" for ignoring those other risks? The psychopathic part is drawing the direct link between being 'younger and well' and panicking. That link only makes sense if you assume people care about their own wellbeing only.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2020 11:48:50 GMT
No one is talking about being complacent - from the outset I said sensible precautions. I'm seeing panic which is harmful in itself. If you are worried about elderly or sick relatives then there are many many more things to worry about that this. To take just one frequently mentioned example, elderly relatives are much more likely to die from flu - were people as worried about that each year? Or were they "slightly psychopathic" for ignoring those other risks? The psychopathic part is drawing the direct link between being 'younger and well' and panicking. That link only makes sense if you assume people care about their own wellbeing only. but panic and overreaction also affects others wellbeing. Pointing that out isn't psychopathic. See also the marked potential adverse psychological effects of quarantine published today in the Lancet. www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30460-8/fulltext
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2020 11:54:31 GMT
I'm tempted to put a poll up - which is the greater threat to the world, Trump or COVID-19? Covidfe?
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Post by michaelc on Feb 27, 2020 12:05:49 GMT
Not heard much talk of this - maybe because it might panic people and maybe because its rubbish or both. Plenty of theories going around how this virus escaped from a lab. Presumably it was there in the first place as part of human engineered biological weaponry. Odd then that it doesn't have a much higher mortality rate. A few articles around including this tabloid style one: nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/ |
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Post by agent69 on Feb 27, 2020 12:12:10 GMT
Not heard much talk of this - maybe because it might panic people and maybe because its rubbish or both. Plenty of theories going around how this virus escaped from a lab. Presumably it was there in the first place as part of human engineered biological weaponry. Odd then that it doesn't have a much higher mortality rate. A few articles around including this tabloid style one: nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/Rubbish gets my vote.
I think the same nonsense gets regurgitated every time there is a health issue like this (normally to be found on a website alongside claims that man never landed on the moon, the earth is flat, Barack Obama wasn't realy american and Donald Trump is doing a good job as president)
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Post by benaj on Feb 27, 2020 12:45:21 GMT
Not heard much talk of this - maybe because it might panic people and maybe because its rubbish or both. Plenty of theories going around how this virus escaped from a lab. Presumably it was there in the first place as part of human engineered biological weaponry. Odd then that it doesn't have a much higher mortality rate. A few articles around including this tabloid style one: nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/Rubbish gets my vote. I think the same nonsense gets regurgitated every time there is a health issue like this (normally to be found on a website alongside claims that man never landed on the moon, the earth is flat, Barack Obama wasn't realy american and Donald Trump is doing a good job as president)
According to online source, the author of the above article was expelled for "dishonesty".
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Post by michaelc on Feb 27, 2020 13:02:14 GMT
A more credible source refutes these rumours: www.ft.com/content/a6392ee6-4ec6-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5However, I am uncomfortable with the fact that it is in most people's interest not to panic people and that might mean much of the traditional news erring on the side of not wanting to be seen to spread fear. |
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Post by southseacompany on Feb 27, 2020 13:04:43 GMT
Not heard much talk of this - maybe because it might panic people and maybe because its rubbish or both. Plenty of theories going around how this virus escaped from a lab. Presumably it was there in the first place as part of human engineered biological weaponry. Odd then that it doesn't have a much higher mortality rate. A few articles around including this tabloid style one: nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/That article is mostly BS, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that is suspicious to say the least, for example Dr. Shi Zhengli's past research on editing the spike proteins in the bat coronavirus and several Wuhan researchers' previous work on gain-of-function studies on coronavirus variants, work for which all federal funding was removed in the US a few years ago due to its potential risks. Also, there have been multiple accidental releases of SARS from a biolab in Beijing, so it's not that shocking to suggest the possibility of an accidental release of a dangerous pathogen from the Wuhan virology lab. Anyway, an accidental leak from a lab does not mean the virus was ever designed as a biological weapon. More likely, it's part of a research programme which has multiple potential applications, including military ones, but if it is a "weapon" it is certainly not a finished one. It might be part of some kind of a test involving different spike protein splicing techniques or some other obscure detail of the gene editing process. Obviously this is all speculation.
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Post by Godanubis on Feb 27, 2020 15:10:39 GMT
The Muslim HAJJ is due in July this year where thousands of people from all over the world will congregated in Mecca. All intermingling at close quarters then disseminating back across the globe. This is the greatest mingling of people on the planet and because of the religious significance is unlikely to be cancelled. Easter in Rome is also a huge meeting of people from all over the world. The Hindu new year is also soon. It looks like the potential to wipe out a large proportion of the major religions followers. Notrodamus predicted the apocalypse would begin in the east ? The seven seals are opening The Four Horsemen of the apocalypse are coming War, Pestilence, Famine and eventually death all are prevalent in the modern world. Looks like I’m going to be busy. I better get the scales serviced and pluck a few feathers.  Looks like it’s started Saudi Arabia blocking some pilgrims. It appears that other deity is calling one of his own back to the fold as the Pope is now sick after a group of masked pilgrims met him. It won’t do his case for new members any good if his head honcho on earth pops his clogs
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 27, 2020 16:12:28 GMT
Anyone buying the dip as of yet?
I'm after some more VWRL. Despite the big falls this week though, we're still only 9% off the top and where we were back in late October 2019. I might regret this, but will wait some more before starting to buy more I think. It fell by a similar % in late 2018 for practically no reason whatsoever, so seems a bit early to be buying for this situation.
(totally aware that this is me market timing as much as those deciding when to sell. At least I'm still happy with staying put at current allocations if rqd!)
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2020 16:14:25 GMT
Anyone buying the dip as of yet? I'm after some more VWRL. Despite the big falls this week though, we're still only 9% off the top and where we were back in late October 2019. I might regret this, but will wait some more before starting to buy more I think. It fell by a similar % in late 2018 for practically no reason whatsoever, so seems a bit early to be buying for this situation. (totally aware that this is me market timing as much as those deciding when to sell. At least I'm still happy with staying put at current allocations if rqd!) I've been buying
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 16:17:02 GMT
Local Tesco, Boots and all high street chemists totally sold out of hand-sanitizing gel.
It has begun...
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Post by jlend on Feb 27, 2020 16:30:35 GMT
Anyone buying the dip as of yet? I'm after some more VWRL. Despite the big falls this week though, we're still only 9% off the top and where we were back in late October 2019. I might regret this, but will wait some more before starting to buy more I think. It fell by a similar % in late 2018 for practically no reason whatsoever, so seems a bit early to be buying for this situation. (totally aware that this is me market timing as much as those deciding when to sell. At least I'm still happy with staying put at current allocations if rqd!) I think there is further to fall, whether it is rational or not is another matter. My partner is a civil servant. There is certainly a fair amount of planning to cover a much wider impact than we are currently seeing.
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