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Post by benaj on Nov 2, 2020 11:54:55 GMT
The graph suggests no issue for the 85+ group, or perhaps they get don't get tested even they appear a lot on the ONS death stats???
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Post by dan1 on Nov 2, 2020 12:17:51 GMT
The graph suggests no issue for the 85+ group, or perhaps they get don't get tested even they appear a lot on the ONS death stats??? benaj - the chart you posted (available as part of this) shows one of the primary care syndomic surveillance data sets provided by RCGP. i.e. those are from GP's and presumably exclude settings like hospitals, care homes, nursing homes? I don't know but all I'm saying is be careful interpreting the data. The footnote contains the following (my bold):
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Post by benaj on Nov 2, 2020 12:31:38 GMT
The graph suggests no issue for the 85+ group, or perhaps they get don't get tested even they appear a lot on the ONS death stats??? benaj - the chart you posted (available as part of this) shows one of the primary care syndomic surveillance data sets provided by RCGP. i.e. those are from GP's and presumably exclude settings like hospitals, care homes, nursing homes? I don't know but all I'm saying is be careful interpreting the data. The footnote contains the following (my bold): My bad. 😅 May be PHE needs ONS to do the grpahs amd stats, or even spreadsheets
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Post by dan1 on Nov 2, 2020 12:53:37 GMT
benaj - the chart you posted (available as part of this) shows one of the primary care syndomic surveillance data sets provided by RCGP. i.e. those are from GP's and presumably exclude settings like hospitals, care homes, nursing homes? I don't know but all I'm saying is be careful interpreting the data. The footnote contains the following (my bold): My bad. 😅 May be PHE needs ONS to do the grpahs amd stats, or even spreadsheets I'm not sure ONS would wish to ruin their reputation by trying to distil the PHE data into weekly reports! It must be a difficult task to be fair. btw the presentation of the data by Whitty & Vallance the other day was a complete disaster IMO. Why on earth they showed such complicated charts requiring a magnifying glass and degree in epidemiology to interpret who only knows? Anyway, if you want to look at the positivity by age then look at the main surveillance report (see here) and navigate to Figure 6. Four charts covering pillar 1 & 2, male & female. The positivity rate for 80+ in pillar 2 is lower than all other age groups presumably because of the monthly testing of care home residents. It's nearly the highest in pillar 1 - I guess because they're transferred because of Covid.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 2, 2020 18:53:50 GMT
I should hardly need reminding, but what a thoroughly nasty piece of work the Orange Sociopath is.
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Post by benaj on Nov 2, 2020 22:11:24 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Nov 2, 2020 22:28:42 GMT
The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Could this be the same Tony Blair who broke Covid regulations by not isolating properly on his recent return from the US?
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Post by dan1 on Nov 2, 2020 22:34:16 GMT
The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Could this be the same Tony Blair who broke Covid regulations by not isolating properly on his recent return from the US? Wasn't he just testing his eyesight?
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Post by benaj on Nov 2, 2020 22:46:04 GMT
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Post by registerme on Nov 2, 2020 23:13:26 GMT
The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Could this be the same Tony Blair who broke Covid regulations by not isolating properly on his recent return from the US? Sounds wrong to me, but not as egregious as Cummings' behaviour.
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Post by Steerpike on Nov 3, 2020 11:55:21 GMT
"On time" isn't the issue here. It's the quality of the GP's advice (or rather the total absence of any advice or care) that I question. The same practice also failed to call me or my wife in for our PPV vaccine two years running, until I discovered quite by accident that you're supposed to be offered it routinely at age 65. Little would they care if we'd contracted pneumonia as a result of missing that crucial vaccine. We've had the jab this week, but purely through my own endeavours and a big dollop of luck. DIY medicine. I had a similar experience, the NHS recommend this vaccination for people of my age, however, my local surgery has failed to contact me about this for years. When I contacted them they explained that they are not able to help probably until February next year apparently because the NHS is not currently supplying vaccine. I called the local Lloyds pharmacy and they can provide the vaccination this week for £30.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 3, 2020 13:28:06 GMT
I had a similar experience, the NHS recommend this vaccination for people of my age, however, my local surgery has failed to contact me about this for years. When I contacted them they explained that they are not able to help probably until February next year apparently because the NHS is not currently supplying vaccine. I called the local Lloyds pharmacy and they can provide the vaccination this week for £30. I was talking to a friend about this a little while ago. She's on the vaccine list, her husband isn't (he's a bit younger, she's asthmatic). They enquired about getting him one, to try to keep it out the house... "Yep, shouldn't be a problem - but..."Turns out the flu vaccines are ordered the winter before - so Jan/Feb for this winter's vaccinations. They always order a few too many, but basically if they aren't expecting you to be on the list, you aren't guaranteed of getting one.
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Post by IFISAcava on Nov 3, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
One for all those #covidiot anti-lockdowners pointing at Sweden ... it seems the Swedish chickens have come home to roost.
The argument has never been (for sensible folk) that the Swedish approach will avoid harm or difficult trade-offs - it's that all roads eventually lead to Rome, whether you do full lockdown or not, and that short term benefits of lockdown are counterbalanced by longer term harms.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 3, 2020 14:03:16 GMT
One for all those #covidiot anti-lockdowners pointing at Sweden ... it seems the Swedish chickens have come home to roost.
The argument has never been (for sensible folk) that the Swedish approach will avoid harm or difficult trade-offs - it's that all roads eventually lead to Rome, whether you do full lockdown or not, and that short term benefits of lockdown are counterbalanced by longer term harms. Presumably you meant Stockholm
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Post by dan1 on Nov 3, 2020 14:10:35 GMT
One for all those #covidiot anti-lockdowners pointing at Sweden ... it seems the Swedish chickens have come home to roost.
The argument has never been (for sensible folk) that the Swedish approach will avoid harm or difficult trade-offs - it's that all roads eventually lead to Rome, whether you do full lockdown or not, and that short term benefits of lockdown are counterbalanced by longer term harms. I have some sympathy with your point of view. The issue I have is the bastardisation of the evidence in support of the let it rip strategy. From very low IFR, herd immunity threshold may have already been reached in Stockholm/NYC/Lombardy, the rise in cases is down to false positives due to increased testing, C-19 deaths are just displaced, the outright denial of excess mortality statistics, we can't lockdown because of the economy,.... I could go on and on. One of the major reasons these fringe views have gained prominence in this country are our own governments scientific advisors secrecy when it comes to modelling, data, reports - let the data be shared in a transparent, timely, and complete manner to whoever wishes to use it whether that be Independent SAGE or the likes of Trump, Atlas, Ioannidis, Tegnell, Giesecke, Gupta, Heneghan, Farage, Steve Baker etc.
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