IFISAcava
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Post by IFISAcava on Nov 23, 2020 19:50:31 GMT
They have been seeing a lot of long covid for many many years, well before the pandemic even began - it was just called something else then. How can they be seeing long covid before covid? I understand other viruses or illnesses do have longer term problems is that what you mean? because the vast majority of "long covid" is the same as other post viral syndromes - just happens to have followed SARS-CoV-2 infection instead of epstein barr virus, hepatitis virus, viral meningitis, influenza A virus etc etc. And it has happened in an epidemic form rather than sporadically as everyone has been getting Covid at the same time. There may be a small proportion of "long-covid" that is specific to something the virus does. But GPs will have been seeing and treating the vast majority of symptoms of long covid for decades.
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Post by dan1 on Nov 23, 2020 19:53:01 GMT
It's not equivalent nor analogous nor is it determined however, I can't help but think of those who died or were wounded following the signing of the Armistice but prior to the eleventh hour in terms of those who will die prior to being offered vaccination. Well....
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Post by dan1 on Nov 23, 2020 20:33:42 GMT
The cost of cronyism... OECD/European Union (2020), Health at a Glance: Europe 2020: State of Health in the EU Cycle, OECD Publishing, Paris, doi.org/10.1787/82129230-en
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Post by benaj on Nov 24, 2020 6:51:52 GMT
youtu.be/2SnVNg90TPIOverseas students will be flying soon. The world should start preparing mass testing for air travellers.
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Post by agent69 on Nov 24, 2020 9:45:40 GMT
Interesting article from Sky News last night.
AZ were monitoring people on the vaccine trial for possible side effects when they noticed that a significant group appeared to be reporting less issues than the rest. On further investigation it was found that about 3000 people had accidentally been given only 50% of the planned dose. Rather than abandon these trials they carried on and gave them the full second dose to see what happened.
As was noted at the time, this could be on a par with Fleming accidentally inventing penicillin.
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Post by mrk on Nov 24, 2020 10:31:44 GMT
The cost of cronyism... OECD/European Union (2020), Health at a Glance: Europe 2020: State of Health in the EU Cycle, OECD Publishing, Paris, doi.org/10.1787/82129230-enPerhaps we should talk more about Greece. They spent very little yet have one of the lowest death rates in Europe. (And so much for those suggesting that Spain and Italy are worst affected because of their Mediterranean culture.)
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Post by moonraker on Nov 24, 2020 12:08:03 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Some people will be reluctant to mix and mingle because they can't be sure that others have been vaccinated and, if they have been, how long ago.
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Post by Mike on Nov 24, 2020 12:28:08 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Wasn't that said about Easter 2020? Or are people saying it again now about Easter 2021 - I suppose by now we have had the game changing antibody tests, the world beating track & trace; and now the effective vaccine. Thank goodness that March lockdown where leaving home without a reasonable excuse was illegal is long behind us! Three cheers for following the science.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Nov 24, 2020 12:32:18 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Some people will be reluctant to mix and mingle because they can't be sure that others have been vaccinated and, if they have been, how long ago.
There's definitely a large swathe of people who'll take a lot longer than Easter to get over their social reluctance!
And I've also met a good number of other people who will refuse to have this or any similar vaccine. It will be a mistake to force them, that'll prove to them that they're right.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 24, 2020 13:30:31 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Some people will be reluctant to mix and mingle because they can't be sure that others have been vaccinated and, if they have been, how long ago.
There's definitely a large swathe of people who'll take a lot longer than Easter to get over their social reluctance!
And I've also met a good number of other people who will refuse to have this or any similar vaccine. It will be a mistake to force them, that'll prove to them that they're right.
This is surely another reason we should try and roll out the vaccine with the highest efficacy as possible.
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Post by agent69 on Nov 24, 2020 13:42:46 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Some people will be reluctant to mix and mingle because they can't be sure that others have been vaccinated and, if they have been, how long ago. I don't think anyone has said this.
What has been said is that if all goes as planned, all the high risk people should have been vaccinated by Easter, and things will start to get back to normal.
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Post by stevepn on Nov 24, 2020 14:17:11 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Wasn't that said about Easter 2020? Or are people saying it again now about Easter 2021 - I suppose by now we have had the game changing antibody tests, the world beating track & trace; and now the effective vaccine. Thank goodness that March lockdown where leaving home without a reasonable excuse was illegal is long behind us! Three cheers for following the science. The fact that Dido Harding is running the world beating trick and treat inspires me not at all. I seem to remember the Talk Talk fiasco when she was at the helm. That woman is incapable of running trick and treat, was incapable of running Talk Talk. I wouldn't think she was capable of running a tap to fill the bath, but hey when you have friends in high places you can get paid well for a job you are not fit for.
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Post by r00lish67 on Nov 24, 2020 14:44:00 GMT
Perhaps we should talk more about Greece. They spent very little yet have one of the lowest death rates in Europe. (And so much for those suggesting that Spain and Italy are worst affected because of their Mediterranean culture.) I've spent four months in Spain and three in Greece this year. Not that this makes me particularly eligible to answer the question, just thought I'd get that in there Anyway, I would guess the reasons for this are: 1) Same story as PL/Romania in Spring, they locked down hard & fast. 2) Greece is also locked down quite hard now. I 'participated' in that, and had to fill in an A4 paper form every time I left the house to be able to show to the police. 3) Spain and Greece in my view are more different culturally than you might imagine. Greeks are far less touchy/feely than Spaniards on the whole, and the sort of parties that Spain loves to have are far less frequent there. 4) Finally, Greece has a much lower population and population density. Lots of islands and a population of just 10m. What it certainly isn't is any particular clever systems or anything like that, they had no cash for that. The Greeks also certainly are not 'good' with masks (spanish much better) either. They just locked down properly, closing bars/restaurants and keeping people indoors before cases started spiralling upwards. It's a blunt instrument, it works, and every day you delay doing it causes an exponential rise in cases.
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Post by moonraker on Nov 24, 2020 17:40:29 GMT
Talk of life getting back to normal by Easter is tosh. Some people will be reluctant to mix and mingle because they can't be sure that others have been vaccinated and, if they have been, how long ago. I don't think anyone has said this.
What has been said is that if all goes as planned, all the high risk people should have been vaccinated by Easter, and things will start to get back to normal.
That word "should"! All the high-risk people should have been offered a vaccination by Easter, but how many will decline? Surveys suggest 19 to 30%. Some will be inveterate anti-vaccers, others unsure of a new vaccine that may or not provide immunity for only x (six??) months. I can just about exist as at present but would eventually like to have a bit more freedom so am wondering whether to hang back from my jab for a short while. If I do have the jab in the New Year I'll continue to use hand gel (as I did pre-Covid) and, probably, masks.
As I write this, there's a discussion on Radio Four about certificates being issued to those who are vaccinated. I wonder how long it'll take crooks to set up a Black Market.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 24, 2020 20:53:56 GMT
Whether paper or digital certificates perhaps its the best way to get those on the fence vaccinated? I think it would take nothing more than that. No requirement to be vaccinated and no requirement to show your certificate.
But, it would be lawful for businesses to insist on it. Settings such as airlines, sport events, pub, restaurants etc could demand it if they chose to and no doubt many would leaving the anti-vaxers to sing in the rain.
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