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Post by jlend on Nov 29, 2020 10:43:47 GMT
That''s not unproven actually, it's right in the AstraZeneca press release: "No hospitalisations or severe cases of COVID-19 in participants treated with AZD1222". I thought that was the best bit of news there, even though they don't say how many severe cases there were in the non-vaccine group. Well, I respectfully disagree that that constitutes proof as the sample size of a hundred or two is minuscule but I do agree it points in that direction. Be good to see the peer reviews when they come out to see who actually was in the samples etc. Certainly some noise around the age and underlying health of participants and the placebos used. An easy read in New Scientist. www.newscientist.com/article/2261092-do-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-results-stand-up-to-scrutiny/
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Post by IFISAcava on Nov 29, 2020 18:33:02 GMT
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Post by mrk on Nov 29, 2020 18:45:39 GMT
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Post by stevepn on Nov 29, 2020 19:37:15 GMT
Did all these people die of corona or with corona?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 29, 2020 20:41:40 GMT
Did all these people die of corona or with corona? I think it is all really subjective at the minute, it seems what was or has been spent is not clear (and on what), the ethnic mix in different countries seems to be really significant in outcomes in different countries, how things are measured and recorded seems to be variable. I think it will be years before we really know which countries did well or badly, if ever, depending how much information is eventually revealed and how it can be interpreted.
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Post by dan1 on Nov 30, 2020 14:31:03 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 14:44:54 GMT
What for? You'll be getting the fantastic AstraZeneca one like the rest of us
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Post by dan1 on Nov 30, 2020 14:46:17 GMT
What for? You'll be getting the fantastic AstraZeneca one like the rest of us
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Post by agent69 on Nov 30, 2020 14:52:04 GMT
What for? You'll be getting the fantastic AstraZeneca one like the rest of us But we've committed to buying 50m doses of the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines, so they will have to be given to somebody. If the AZ vaccine is proven to be less effective then I suspect it will go to the masses, with the over 50's getting the good stuff.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 30, 2020 15:44:10 GMT
What for? You'll be getting the fantastic AstraZeneca one like the rest of us But we've committed to buying 50m doses of the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines, so they will have to be given to somebody. If the AZ vaccine is proven to be less effective then I suspect it will go to the masses, with the over 50's getting the good stuff. or be donated to poorer countries (perhaps partly replacing foreign aid cuts.....).
The AZ vaccine is both cheaper but also better suited for countries with less sophisticated distribution channels/less resources to build them, thanks to it being less temperature sensitive.
Still, unless I've misunderstood, the AZ one will be available in Qty to the UK before the Moderna/Pfizer ones, so there will be an incentive to use what we have.
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Post by james100 on Nov 30, 2020 15:56:28 GMT
What for? You'll be getting the fantastic AstraZeneca one like the rest of us I would expect we will all be offered the slightly questionable AZ one that Boris is so keen to label with the Union Flag (the "Brexine" ). But I also expect that, in line with existing healthcare policy, private options will be available for those wish to inject out of the standard schedule / product and are happy to pay for it (just as with chicken pox, influenza, yellow fever etc). Puts me in mind of this thread about 400 pages ago when I was participating in research which kept asking me how much I would be willing to pay for a vaccine relative to efficacy rates...and here we are! Also this is interesting: www.cityam.com/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-disclose-whether-he-will-profit-from-moderna-vaccine/
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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 16:04:42 GMT
I would expect we will all be offered the slightly questionable AZ one that Boris is so keen to label with the Union Flag (the "Brexine" ). But I also expect that, in line with existing healthcare policy, private options will be available for those wish to inject out of the standard schedule / product and are happy to pay for it (just as with chicken pox, influenza, yellow fever etc). Puts me in mind of this thread about 400 pages ago when I was participating in research which kept asking me how much I would be willing to pay for a vaccine relative to efficacy rates...and here we are! Also this is interesting: www.cityam.com/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-disclose-whether-he-will-profit-from-moderna-vaccine/Its a good question. I suspect most people wouldn't pay too much but many would pay up to £100. In my case if the only way to get the best vaccine was to pay a thousand I would do it as would want some protection when travelling to unvaccinated populations. Hopefully it won't come to that !
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Post by agent69 on Nov 30, 2020 16:28:21 GMT
But we've committed to buying 50m doses of the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines, so they will have to be given to somebody. If the AZ vaccine is proven to be less effective then I suspect it will go to the masses, with the over 50's getting the good stuff. or be donated to poorer countries (perhaps partly replacing foreign aid cuts.....).
The AZ vaccine is both cheaper but also better suited for countries with less sophisticated distribution channels/less resources to build them, thanks to it being less temperature sensitive.
Still, unless I've misunderstood, the AZ one will be available in Qty to the UK before the Moderna/Pfizer ones, so there will be an incentive to use what we have.
I thought that Pfizer were ready to go as soon as approval was given? Realistically it would be political suicide not to start vaccinating as soon as a suitable candidate was available.
However, I do wonder where the Pfizer vaccine will be used. I can understand major stations being set up with suitable cold storage facilities to allow mass vaccination. It's a whole different ball game vaccinating 50 people in a care home and then wanting to vaccinate 50 more in a home 10 miles away.
Interesting times ahead
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Post by agent69 on Nov 30, 2020 16:35:13 GMT
I would expect we will all be offered the slightly questionable AZ one that Boris is so keen to label with the Union Flag (the "Brexine" ). But I also expect that, in line with existing healthcare policy, private options will be available for those wish to inject out of the standard schedule / product and are happy to pay for it (just as with chicken pox, influenza, yellow fever etc). Puts me in mind of this thread about 400 pages ago when I was participating in research which kept asking me how much I would be willing to pay for a vaccine relative to efficacy rates...and here we are! Also this is interesting: www.cityam.com/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-disclose-whether-he-will-profit-from-moderna-vaccine/Its a good question. I suspect most people wouldn't pay too much but many would pay up to £100. In my case i f the only way to get the best vaccine was to pay a thousand I would do it as would want some protection when travelling to unvaccinated populations. Hopefully it won't come to that !
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 30, 2020 16:39:30 GMT
or be donated to poorer countries (perhaps partly replacing foreign aid cuts.....).
The AZ vaccine is both cheaper but also better suited for countries with less sophisticated distribution channels/less resources to build them, thanks to it being less temperature sensitive.
Still, unless I've misunderstood, the AZ one will be available in Qty to the UK before the Moderna/Pfizer ones, so there will be an incentive to use what we have.
I thought that Pfizer were ready to go as soon as approval was given? Realistically it would be political suicide not to start vaccinating as soon as a suitable candidate was available.
However, I do wonder where the Pfizer vaccine will be used. I can understand major stations being set up with suitable cold storage facilities to allow mass vaccination. It's a whole different ball game vaccinating 50 people in a care home and then wanting to vaccinate 50 more in a home 10 miles away.
Interesting times ahead
If it will last 7 days after thawing it may not be too difficult, but it also needs diluting, if I remember correctly. There seem to be a few ways this may not be 'the best' vaccine by the time you actually get it even in developed countries. I might prefer the AZ, but whatever I get offered I will take it and as soon as possible. I don't think I would risk buying any of them because the potential profit in dodgy products is so high.
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