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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 17:09:11 GMT
Its a good question. I suspect most people wouldn't pay too much but many would pay up to £100. In my case i f the only way to get the best vaccine was to pay a thousand I would do it as would want some protection when travelling to unvaccinated populations. Hopefully it won't come to that !
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
Indeed but that's not the proposition. Talking of money, the current delay I think is with the regulations people. Given how many billions have been chucked around, do we think the BJ government is imaginative to see if by sufficiently incentivising the appropriate people (large, unheard of bonuses in the public sector for example) they could start working 24 hours a day? (Not individually obviously) If it turned out the multi week estimate was due to simply working 9-5 and allowing staff leave as normal etc I think quite a few people wouldn't be impressed.
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Post by james100 on Nov 30, 2020 17:28:33 GMT
Its a good question. I suspect most people wouldn't pay too much but many would pay up to £100. In my case i f the only way to get the best vaccine was to pay a thousand I would do it as would want some protection when travelling to unvaccinated populations. Hopefully it won't come to that !
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
When I was participating in the research I had to answer (mostly) the same questions every 2 weeks for several months. I did at least 5 rounds of it and think at peak panic I put down 10K(!) for 100% plus permanent normality. It would be a lot less now...but for a Moderna jab + permanent universal travel pass granted before Christmas I would be good for a low 4 figs.
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Post by mrk on Nov 30, 2020 17:42:16 GMT
Talking of money, the current delay I think is with the regulations people. Given how many billions have been chucked around, do we think the BJ government is imaginative to see if by sufficiently incentivising the appropriate people (large, unheard of bonuses in the public sector for example) they could start working 24 hours a day? (Not individually obviously) If it turned out the multi week estimate was due to simply working 9-5 and allowing staff leave as normal etc I think quite a few people wouldn't be impressed. Unfortunately that could also be seen as undermining the independence of the MHRA. There are already people questioning the safety of vaccines developed so quickly when the process normally takes years.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 18:59:52 GMT
Talking of money, the current delay I think is with the regulations people. Given how many billions have been chucked around, do we think the BJ government is imaginative to see if by sufficiently incentivising the appropriate people (large, unheard of bonuses in the public sector for example) they could start working 24 hours a day? (Not individually obviously) If it turned out the multi week estimate was due to simply working 9-5 and allowing staff leave as normal etc I think quite a few people wouldn't be impressed. Unfortunately that could also be seen as undermining the independence of the MHRA. There are already people questioning the safety of vaccines developed so quickly when the process normally takes years. Yeah I did think about that as I was writing. Just a bit frustrating that we're likely going through the same procedures when the world have almost stopped spinning. Of course the vaccines themselves have come through at relative warp speed although interesting to consider that (to my knowledge) the vaccines have been available since the Spring - just not proven.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 19:01:40 GMT
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
When I was participating in the research I had to answer (mostly) the same questions every 2 weeks for several months. I did at least 5 rounds of it and think at peak panic I put down 10K(!) for 100% plus permanent normality. It would be a lot less now...but for a Moderna jab + permanent universal travel pass granted before Christmas I would be good for a low 4 figs. A wiser choice than L, FS, COL and some others I would think....
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Post by Greenwood2 on Nov 30, 2020 19:31:43 GMT
What would somebody pay for a vaccine that was 100% effective, allowed you access to all foreign countries, and allowed you to lead a normal life at home? I suspect there would be a lot of people prepared to pay a lot more than £1,000.
When I was participating in the research I had to answer (mostly) the same questions every 2 weeks for several months. I did at least 5 rounds of it and think at peak panic I put down 10K(!) for 100% plus permanent normality. It would be a lot less now...but for a Moderna jab + permanent universal travel pass granted before Christmas I would be good for a low 4 figs. And how would you know you actually got the real vaccine? Or does it matter if you got the pass?
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Post by dan1 on Nov 30, 2020 20:03:36 GMT
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Post by james100 on Nov 30, 2020 20:19:50 GMT
When I was participating in the research I had to answer (mostly) the same questions every 2 weeks for several months. I did at least 5 rounds of it and think at peak panic I put down 10K(!) for 100% plus permanent normality. It would be a lot less now...but for a Moderna jab + permanent universal travel pass granted before Christmas I would be good for a low 4 figs. And how would you know you actually got the real vaccine? Or does it matter if you got the pass? I'm assuming it would be administered by a registered health clinic (hospital / GP / travel clinic) with a vaccination certificate recording date given, manufacturer, dosage, batch number etc. i.e. usual recording standard in other countries (so same standard presumably required for entry from the UK into another country). I have no desire for a fake vaccination certificate for any purpose whatsoever and even less to pay big bucks for one. I am desperate to escape on vacation, true, but not so desperate that I would want to jeopardize my health nor that of others around me. My point was poorly phrased if I gave that impression. You raise / suggest a very valid point though with regard to fraudulent vaccine certification...it will be interesting to see how vax/non-vax status is recorded.
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Post by agent69 on Nov 30, 2020 20:28:53 GMT
And how would you know you actually got the real vaccine? Or does it matter if you got the pass? I'm assuming it would be administered by a registered health clinic (hospital / GP / travel clinic) with a vaccination certificate recording date given, manufacturer, dosage, batch number etc. i.e. usual recording standard in other countries (so same standard presumably required for entry from the UK into another country). I have no desire for a fake vaccination certificate for any purpose whatsoever and even less to pay big bucks for one. I am desperate to escape on vacation, true, but not so desperate that I would want to jeopardize my health nor that of others around me. My point was poorly phrased if I gave that impression. You raise / suggest a very valid point though with regard to fraudulent vaccine certification...it will be interesting to see how vax/non-vax status is recorded. On the NHS Covid-19 app?
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Post by agent69 on Nov 30, 2020 20:31:39 GMT
Especially not for the manufacturers, who I believe will have immunity from prosecution should their products end up killing everyone.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 30, 2020 21:33:09 GMT
Especially not for the manufacturers, who I believe will have immunity from prosecution should their products end up killing everyone. That is probably reasonable. More interesting for me is the case where they wouldn't be protected from effectively infinite lawsuits and thus be wound up. Obviously, you want some additional incentives for them to make safe vaccines but you also don't want to scare them off from trying.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Nov 30, 2020 21:51:01 GMT
Especially not for the manufacturers, who I believe will have immunity from prosecution should their products end up killing everyone.
If they kill everyone then the anti-vaxxers win! The anti-vaxxers will be the only ones left, and they won't sue the manufacturers.
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More seriously; And of course this is why they're (the manufacturers) following procedures - if they didn't follow the accepted way they'd rightly be open for law suits (IMO). Or are you saying they have a special dispensation?
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Post by dan1 on Nov 30, 2020 22:03:36 GMT
Operation Warp Speed have said 100% of Americans who want a vaccine will get one by June. The gauntlet has been thrown down. The UK is up to the challenge
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Nov 30, 2020 22:09:11 GMT
Operation Warp Speed have said 100% of Americans who want a vaccine will get one by June. The gauntlet has been thrown down. The UK is up to the challenge
This sounds a little like Trump making a commitment for Biden. But yes we're up for the challenge!
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Post by dan1 on Nov 30, 2020 22:16:54 GMT
Operation Warp Speed have said 100% of Americans who want a vaccine will get one by June. The gauntlet has been thrown down. The UK is up to the challenge
This sounds a little like Trump making a commitment for Biden. But yes we're up for the challenge!
It sounds achievable - at least on face value. Oh, and don't forget a significant proportion of the population are anti-vaxxers (well, at least until they realise they risk being ostracised).
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