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Post by agent69 on Dec 7, 2020 9:48:49 GMT
hopefully if enough (sensible) people have been vaccinated it really doesn't matter about the unvaccinated eventually they can only infect each other. It may be the case that the vaccinated could still transmit the virus to the unvaccinated - and indeed the vaccinated. Moderna chief's warning.I continue to be confused with apparently contradictory information about the virus (for example if the number of infectd people in the country is reducing by 25% a week, how can the experts contemplate that the R rate might still be 1).
I can understand that the 5% of vaccinated people who become infected could pass it on, but how can the rest (who havent contracted the virus) pass it on? Or are we saying that the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from contracting the virus, they just remain asymptomatic (so can continue to pass it on)?
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Post by agent69 on Dec 7, 2020 9:58:21 GMT
US President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is in hospital after developing Covid-19
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Post by mrk on Dec 7, 2020 10:37:06 GMT
It may be the case that the vaccinated could still transmit the virus to the unvaccinated - and indeed the vaccinated. Moderna chief's warning.I continue to be confused with apparently contradictory information about the virus (for example if the number of infectd people in the country is reducing by 25% a week, how can the experts contemplate that the R rate might still be 1).
I can understand that the 5% of vaccinated people who become infected could pass it on, but how can the rest (who havent contracted the virus) pass it on? Or are we saying that the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from contracting the virus, they just remain asymptomatic (so can continue to pass it on)?
The latter: it's possible that any vaccinated person could still catch and transmit the virus, without developing symptoms. The 95% efficacy is measured based on confirmed Covid-19 cases, which wouldn't include asymptomatic cases who never got tested. It's likely that vaccines will reduce transmission as well, but we still don't know for sure or by how much.
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Post by james100 on Dec 7, 2020 10:59:36 GMT
If anyone fancies an immersive VR experience of getting inside your own cells and being hijacked by covid I recommend this documentary www.insidecovid19vr.com/ (oculusTV)
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 7, 2020 12:56:21 GMT
hopefully if enough (sensible) people have been vaccinated it really doesn't matter about the unvaccinated eventually they can only infect each other. including those that CAN'T be vaccinated for health reasons, or for whom vaccines simply won't work for same reasons. Those who CHOOSE not to be vaccinated are by definition not just endangering their ilk, but others who have not had the choice. Which is not itself a manifesto for enforcement, but it is an manifesto to place a level of social (ir)responsibility on those who take such a decision.
What about those who want to be vaccinated but can't because the UK and US, EU have hogged almost the full out put of the current vaccine producers? i.e they live in the southern hemisphere.
There maybe some people in the UK who refuse to have the vaccine while the other 90%(?) of the world won't get the vaccine for several years if at all.
I think I'd take that as a reason not to be vaccinated, but this could get abused!
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 7, 2020 13:06:02 GMT
including those that CAN'T be vaccinated for health reasons, or for whom vaccines simply won't work for same reasons. Those who CHOOSE not to be vaccinated are by definition not just endangering their ilk, but others who have not had the choice. Which is not itself a manifesto for enforcement, but it is an manifesto to place a level of social (ir)responsibility on those who take such a decision.
What about those who want to be vaccinated but can't because the UK and US, EU have hogged almost the full out put of the current vaccine producers? i.e they live in the southern hemisphere.
a vacuum into which china might well step, making friends and influencing people at the sametime.
I have this hope however that the Ox/AZ vaccine, while (and perhaps partly because) its probably less effective, could end up being made in sufficient quantities more rapidly and be available in quantity to countries which aren't otherwise able to source. As the vaccine with less complex/sophisticated distribution chain issues, and less costly, it certainly could end up be able to plug a large part of that gap.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 7, 2020 13:24:57 GMT
including those that CAN'T be vaccinated for health reasons, or for whom vaccines simply won't work for same reasons. Those who CHOOSE not to be vaccinated are by definition not just endangering their ilk, but others who have not had the choice. Which is not itself a manifesto for enforcement, but it is an manifesto to place a level of social (ir)responsibility on those who take such a decision.
What about those who want to be vaccinated but can't because the UK and US, EU have hogged almost the full out put of the current vaccine producers? i.e they live in the southern hemisphere.
There maybe some people in the UK who refuse to have the vaccine while the other 90%(?) of the world won't get the vaccine for several years if at all.
I think I'd take that as a reason not to be vaccinated, but this could get abused!
I don't see too many third world countries queuing up to pay $80 a head for the Moderna vaccine?
Either way, I would have thought it fair if the countres with the biggest problem (the west) initially get most of the available vaccive.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 7, 2020 13:50:49 GMT
US President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is in hospital after developing Covid-19 Word on the street is that Rudy is going to court to get the positive result overturned.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 7, 2020 20:33:59 GMT
Mightily disappointed in the entrepreneurial spirit out there. A quick search on eBay and Amazon for the new NHS vaccination card (not "passport" as has been reported) reveals no knock-offs. What is the world coming to?
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 8, 2020 10:10:50 GMT
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Dec 8, 2020 13:13:43 GMT
The second vaccinated was William Shakespeare
So it looks as if you can give a fake name, Mickey Mouse or whatever
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2020 16:52:57 GMT
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 9, 2020 17:45:43 GMT
It's reported everywhere now. I am having my first shot on Tuesday with the second booked 3 weeks later. I was notified by my GP surgery today.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2020 18:33:43 GMT
Yeah, the allergy reactions have been reported everywhere. And the two nurses were Epi-pen carrying, known to have allergies and anaphylactic reaction individuals. But hey, there’s no accounting for the press, social media and the people who read it. It was always highly likely that highly allergic people might react allergically to this or any other jab. It’s a certainty that eventually someone will die shortly after receiving the jab. It may or may not become clear whether the jab was a contributing trigger and it may or may not be ascertained very quickly but I’m sure there’ll be sensational write ups about it. Where is everywhere? I don't see it anywhere in the UK national press.
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Post by mrk on Dec 9, 2020 18:45:47 GMT
Where is everywhere? I don't see it anywhere in the UK national press. The two sites I’ve used today covered it - BBC, FT. And I’ve just checked the TheTimes they have it covered. I’m sure there are many more. It's literally the first thing I heard on Sky News this morning. Also in The Guardian and The Telegraph.
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