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Post by mrk on Dec 9, 2020 18:52:39 GMT
The two sites I’ve used today covered it - BBC, FT. And I’ve just checked the TheTimes they have it covered. I’m sure there are many more. It's literally the first thing I heard on Sky News this morning. Also in The Guardian and The Telegraph. What I found interesting is that allergic reactions can happen even with the placebo. From the FT:
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2020 18:52:41 GMT
Right then chaps I'm so wrong I might delete my post.
Perhaps interestingly, I came to that conclusion by searching for "vaccine two nurses" and/or similar in google news. I have a feeling Google has changed search to combat the anti-vaxxers. As above I'm probably wrong about that too !
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Post by adrianc on Dec 9, 2020 19:46:48 GMT
Right then chaps I'm so wrong I might delete my post. Perhaps interestingly, I came to that conclusion by searching for "vaccine two nurses" and/or similar in google news. I have a feeling Google has changed search to combat the anti-vaxxers. As above I'm probably wrong about that too ! Or maybe it's just a good reminder that just searching for things isn't necessarily the best way to get your news? It's been all over Radio 4 this pm. Having had a flu jab this morning, SWMBO's immediate reaction to the headline was "So did they lie when they were asked if they'd ever had adverse reactions before?"
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Post by mrk on Dec 9, 2020 20:06:12 GMT
Having had a flu jab this morning, SWMBO's immediate reaction to the headline was "So did they lie when they were asked if they'd ever had adverse reactions before?"Some flu vaccines are developed from eggs (don't ask me how exactly) and some people suffer from egg allergy. It's explicitly covered in the PHE guidelines. There were no such known problems for the Pfizer vaccine from the trials, so the instructions were simply to report any allergic reactions if they occurred. Which they did, and now they'll investigate if they're actually caused by the vaccine or not.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 9, 2020 22:00:03 GMT
Right then chaps I'm so wrong I might delete my post. Perhaps interestingly, I came to that conclusion by searching for "vaccine two nurses" and/or similar in google news. I have a feeling Google has changed search to combat the anti-vaxxers. As above I'm probably wrong about that too ! Maybe you should leave your post and let it serve as a reminder to be less “trigger happy” when posting! Given the ratio between likes and posts in your case, you don't post often but when you do you have something to say. That is up to you but if everyone behaved that way, there'd be increasingly little to read.
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Post by registerme on Dec 9, 2020 23:28:10 GMT
So this is cool. A graphing of of the Pfizer / BionTech vaccine in action ie the infection rates in the control / placebo group vs the vaccine group. imho it's a pretty compelling graph. ibb.co/qy86MF1EDIT: Didn't like being embedded so click on the link .
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 10, 2020 8:18:24 GMT
So this is cool. A graphing of of the Pfizer / BionTech vaccine in action ie the infection rates in the control / placebo group vs the vaccine group. imho it's a pretty compelling graph. ibb.co/qy86MF1EDIT: Didn't like being embedded so click on the link . A picture is worth and all that....
An interesting observation. The second does is administered after 21 days as I recall. I wonder where that decision comes from, or whether that is just the protocol they used on the trial therefore its to be the same for real. From that graph there is no noticeable change at day 21 (or perhaps more pertinently at some point after day 21). Its almost flatlining from a a point around day 17/18 after the first dose, and presumably before the second dose. Maybe the point is that hte first dose gives you strong immunity by about day 12-14 and the second dose is 'just' bolstering the longer term affects.
BTW, you do know that this is all fake don't you ?
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Post by benaj on Dec 10, 2020 13:01:49 GMT
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Post by moonraker on Dec 10, 2020 19:51:34 GMT
"Around a quarter of those surveyed believed that the virus was a hoax, with around one in five people thinking vaccine data may be fabricated." I find the first statistic especially to be astonishingly and frighteningly high.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 10, 2020 21:36:39 GMT
So this is cool. A graphing of of the Pfizer / BionTech vaccine in action ie the infection rates in the control / placebo group vs the vaccine group. imho it's a pretty compelling graph. ibb.co/qy86MF1EDIT: Didn't like being embedded so click on the link . Neat. I want to see the graph for a single dose regime. I guess the data doesn't (yet?) exist. If a single dose regime was, say, 60% efficacious then would is it better* to first vaccinate everyone once (or at least the higher risk groups) and then give them boosters as more vaccines are produced? The real problem at the moment is the lack of supply. *I'm not sure what defines better but ultimately fewer hospitalisations, deaths, serious complications etc.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 10, 2020 22:23:15 GMT
So this is cool. A graphing of of the Pfizer / BionTech vaccine in action ie the infection rates in the control / placebo group vs the vaccine group. imho it's a pretty compelling graph. ibb.co/qy86MF1EDIT: Didn't like being embedded so click on the link . Am I reading this correctly. Virtually all of the 'vaccinated' people who went on to contract the virus did so prior to receiving the second jab.
You would have thought that you don't start counting the positive cases until the 'fully imunised' 28 day period had elapsed.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 11, 2020 12:31:46 GMT
In other Covid related news:
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Post by mrk on Dec 11, 2020 13:15:18 GMT
I want to see the graph for a single dose regime. I guess the data doesn't (yet?) exist. That would have been tested before the phase 3 trials, in smaller trials. Give volunteers various dosages and measure their antibody levels to determine the best dosage.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 12, 2020 7:50:43 GMT
In the most predictably American thing ever, the CDC has announced that gun retailers qualify as essential workers and thus gain priority access to vaccine in the US.
Also no surprise, lawyers are also on the list.
Perhaps they shouldn't feel too special... The list covers 87m people. 160m people are employed in the US. www.ft.com/content/198e98cb-3e41-4323-b30c-89181a101d2b
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 14, 2020 16:09:26 GMT
Doesnt seem to have been mentioned here
FDA approved emergency use of Pfizer vaccine over the weekend and US vaccination program reportedly starting tomorrow.
More worryingly London and bits of Home Counties (Essex/Herts) into tier 3 Wed - partially due to a new fast spreading variant that has been identified in the South East.
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