JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 30, 2020 12:17:09 GMT
I have an appointment for a second dose of Pfizer next Tuesday 5th January, I wonder if it will now be cancelled. I'm struggling to grasp your logic here. Can you expand? Yes there are reports saying that first doses will have priority and second doses of both vaccines could be delayed for 3 months.
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Post by r00lish67 on Dec 30, 2020 12:21:51 GMT
I'm struggling to grasp your logic here. Can you expand? Yes there are reports saying that first doses will have priority and second doses of both vaccines could be delayed for 3 months. Indeed..from BBC: "As well as approval of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, the government announced the immunisation campaign will now shift to giving as many people as possible their first dose of vaccine with a second dose following within 12 weeks. When the Pfizer-BioNTech jab started being given the aim was to give the second dose after three weeks. But based on advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation the aim now is to give as many vulnerable people some protection from Covid-19 - irrespective of the jab they are given"
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Post by jlend on Dec 30, 2020 14:29:40 GMT
The cynic in me immediately thinks of single dose regimes as an "opportunity" to sell the second dose privately. I wouldn't be at all surpised to learn a deal has been done - one dose provided by AZN to the NHS at cost provided they can market the second dose privately at profit. What are your thoughts on the lack of patent-free (is that the correct term, I don't know?) production of these vaccines. I'm sure the likes of India could mass produce these vaccines for pennies per dose. Personally, if it doesn't happen in pretty short order then I think it'll be a massive scandal. I hope developing countries reverse engineer them (again, not the correct term) or buy in the expertise from those sympathetic in AZN/Pfizer-Biontech/Moderna and break WTO rules to vaccinate the developing world. Not thought through the logic but you get the thrust of my argument. I'm a cynic by nature, but that truly is cynical.
The UK Govt has already purchased 100m doses. I'm sure the Govt isn't going to sell a chunk of those rather than give for free. Secondly, the OXFORD/AZN consortium have been fairly altruistic with their approach so far: comittment to 'at cost' supply during the pandemic. Indeed, AZNs approach/comittments was one of the reasons Oxford Uni chose them as their partner. A few quick quotes from an article:
"AstraZeneca executives say they plan to supply every region of the world by 2022 without profiting directly from the vaccine during the pandemic..."
Oxford, using its own small manufacturing facility, was making enough vaccine doses to support early clinical trials. The process had to be reinvented for global production across some two dozen contract manufacturers and partners, from Brazil to Japan and Australia.
In June, the Serum Institute of India, the world’s biggest vaccine maker by volume, agreed to supply one billion doses for low- to middle-income countries. The family-owned Indian drug giant, located a couple of hours from Mumbai, previously partnered with Oxford on a malaria drug. It has made 40 million doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine already, AstraZeneca Chief Executive Pascal Soriot said Monday.
The bold bit seems to explicitely address your specific point re. India. It should be remembered that AZN is not traditionally known as a vaccine manufacturer, so it has both had to but also wanted to bring in other parties for manufacturing.
250m doses are being manufactured in the UK in Wrexham at another Indian company www.wockhardt.com/Boris visited the site in Wrexham last year.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 30, 2020 15:25:05 GMT
4m phials of the AZ vaccine currently available, along with a bath tub containing enough for 15m doses waiting to be put into phials.
70% effective after 3 weeks. I wonder when the first tw*t turns up to be vaccinated and starts a ruck complaining they want the Pfizer jab as it's more effective.
I don't agree with that sentiment. I mean yes nobody should think they have a right to request which vaccine: The 62% one or the 95% one. I do resent the inferior one being being portrayed by he government and media as just as good or better than the others. Yes its cheaper and easier to distribute and has UK ties. That doesn't mean we should be content with an inferior drug because its easier/cheaper to roll out and made here. I would agree that within a soon to be vaccinated population like the UK 62 is possibly almost as good as a 90 so long as enough people get jabbed. However, there are some very good reasons why some people might need to travel to unvaccinated populations. In my case, my family (wife and kids) are stuck in a country where the population is unvacinated. Obvisouly 95 would protect me better but not only can I not request that or pay for it, I don't even fit into the bottom of the priority list it being just a few months before my 50th birthday. Time to "develop" some hard to diagnose medical problems to get on the list? In seriousness many other vaccines are absolutely expressly given to people travelling to unvaccinated regions of the world - even just for holidays etc. I dunno, maybe it is fair and I'm just pi**ed off at my current situation.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 30, 2020 15:30:12 GMT
Unrelated comment why isn't the AZN vaccine being rolled out today? Hancock said this morning in answer to that question "...oh yes its because we need to get everyone trained up and so on..." or something similar.
Has he not been anticipating this moment for some time? Ok its only a few days until Jan 4 but why waste a single hour? If he/they have this attitude now presumably it will continue and the rest of the rollout will be as ahem "sucessful" as the other programmes the Gov has tried to roll out.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 30, 2020 15:42:26 GMT
I have an appointment for a second dose of Pfizer next Tuesday 5th January, I wonder if it will now be cancelled. Just confirmed in HOC.
Existing appointments from 4th are being rescheduled
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Post by agent69 on Dec 30, 2020 15:45:48 GMT
Unrelated comment why isn't the AZN vaccine being rolled out today? Hancock said this morning in answer to that question "...oh yes its because we need to get everyone trained up and so on..." or something similar. Has he not been anticipating this moment for some time? Ok its only a few days until Jan 4 but why waste a single hour? If he/they have this attitude now presumably it will continue and the rest of the rollout will be as ahem "sucessful" as the other programmes the Gov has tried to roll out. Because there are only 500,000 doses available and they will not be distributed ready for use until Monday.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 30, 2020 15:48:46 GMT
Devon moving into tier 3 from midnight. Had a sandwich and a couple of pints down the pub at lunch time, can't see them being open again for several months.
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Post by registerme on Dec 30, 2020 15:59:12 GMT
This made me laugh:-
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Post by adrianc on Dec 30, 2020 16:19:57 GMT
Tier 3 as of midnight... So that's... 2/12->18/12 T2 19/12->26/12 T1 26/12->30/12 T2 31/12-> T3 Three changes in 12 days, two in five days. It's just as well I'm not a big fan of scotch eggs. And we STILL can't cross the road. Meanwhile... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55474533
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 30, 2020 16:29:00 GMT
4m phials of the AZ vaccine currently available, along with a bath tub containing enough for 15m doses waiting to be put into phials.
70% effective after 3 weeks. I wonder when the first tw*t turns up to be vaccinated and starts a ruck complaining they want the Pfizer jab as it's more effective.
I don't agree with that sentiment. I mean yes nobody should think they have a right to request which vaccine: The 62% one or the 95% one. I do resent the inferior one being being portrayed by he government and media as just as good or better than the others. Yes its cheaper and easier to distribute and has UK ties. That doesn't mean we should be content with an inferior drug because its easier/cheaper to roll out and made here. I would agree that within a soon to be vaccinated population like the UK 62 is possibly almost as good as a 90 so long as enough people get jabbed. However, there are some very good reasons why some people might need to travel to unvaccinated populations. In my case, my family (wife and kids) are stuck in a country where the population is unvacinated. Obvisouly 95 would protect me better but not only can I not request that or pay for it, I don't even fit into the bottom of the priority list it being just a few months before my 50th birthday. Time to "develop" some hard to diagnose medical problems to get on the list? In seriousness many other vaccines are absolutely expressly given to people travelling to unvaccinated regions of the world - even just for holidays etc. I dunno, maybe it is fair and I'm just pi**ed off at my current situation. I thought what they were saying is the AZ vaccine may not give 95% protection, but if you do catch the virus after having the vaccine you shouldn't end up in hospital, no one who got the AZ vaccine during the testing got severe Covid symptoms. The Pfiser jab is so difficult to handle it is going to be really slow to roll out (putting you and me many months away from vaccination) and there will be problems, like the batch that had to be discarded and maybe some will accidentally get used which isn't in perfect condition. I'd have either if offered. I'm also quite a way down the list so hoping the AZ can roll out quickly and at least protect against the worst of the symptoms if I do catch it.
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Post by michaelc on Dec 30, 2020 16:55:33 GMT
I don't agree with that sentiment. I mean yes nobody should think they have a right to request which vaccine: The 62% one or the 95% one. I do resent the inferior one being being portrayed by he government and media as just as good or better than the others. Yes its cheaper and easier to distribute and has UK ties. That doesn't mean we should be content with an inferior drug because its easier/cheaper to roll out and made here. I would agree that within a soon to be vaccinated population like the UK 62 is possibly almost as good as a 90 so long as enough people get jabbed. However, there are some very good reasons why some people might need to travel to unvaccinated populations. In my case, my family (wife and kids) are stuck in a country where the population is unvacinated. Obvisouly 95 would protect me better but not only can I not request that or pay for it, I don't even fit into the bottom of the priority list it being just a few months before my 50th birthday. Time to "develop" some hard to diagnose medical problems to get on the list? In seriousness many other vaccines are absolutely expressly given to people travelling to unvaccinated regions of the world - even just for holidays etc. I dunno, maybe it is fair and I'm just pi**ed off at my current situation. I thought what they were saying is the AZ vaccine may not give 95% protection, but if you do catch the virus after having the vaccine you shouldn't end up in hospital, no one who got the AZ vaccine during the testing got severe Covid symptoms. The Pfiser jab is so difficult to handle it is going to be really slow to roll out (putting you and me many months away from vaccination) and there will be problems, like the batch that had to be discarded and maybe some will accidentally get used which isn't in perfect condition. I'd have either if offered. I'm also quite a way down the list so hoping the AZ can roll out quickly and at least protect against the worst of the symptoms if I do catch it. Yes they do say that and they also trumpet its positive points and bury the negatives. As I understand it only around 131 people in the trial caught COVID. So less than half of those had the vaccine and they were all under 55 years old and didn't require hospitalisation. Is that really suggesting that it protects against serious symptoms ? I dunno, I'm just getting a real sense of because this is made in Britain, because its made at cost and will be a saviour to many billions around the world nobody is really wanting to say anything bad about it. Surely the bottom line is 62 vs 95 ?
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Post by michaelc on Dec 30, 2020 16:55:59 GMT
Unrelated comment why isn't the AZN vaccine being rolled out today? Hancock said this morning in answer to that question "...oh yes its because we need to get everyone trained up and so on..." or something similar. Has he not been anticipating this moment for some time? Ok its only a few days until Jan 4 but why waste a single hour? If he/they have this attitude now presumably it will continue and the rest of the rollout will be as ahem "sucessful" as the other programmes the Gov has tried to roll out. Because there are only 500,000 doses available and they will not be distributed ready for use until Monday. My question was why is that the case (!)
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Post by adrianc on Dec 30, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
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Post by stevepn on Dec 30, 2020 17:47:16 GMT
Tier 3 as of midnight... So that's... 2/12->18/12 T2 19/12->26/12 T1 26/12->30/12 T2 31/12-> T3 Three changes in 12 days, two in five days. .. Up, down, up, down, shake it all about. You botch and bungle, And U-turn around. That's what this Government’s all about! For example, look at the school situation. Pre hols councils being threatened with legal action if they close schools a couple of days early. Now schools to stay closed for up to an extra two weeks post the hols. Blind leaders of the blind.
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