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Post by agent69 on Jan 7, 2021 18:14:39 GMT
Elderly Britons are REFUSING Pfizer's Covid vaccine 😳 Can someone point out this is not the view of majority of Elderly Britons? mol.im/a/9121869
'Some local patients have turned down an offer this weekend of getting a Covid vaccine when they found out it was the Pfizer one. "I'll wait for the English one",' he wrote on Twitter.
I'd tell him he can go swivel (although some context on how many refused the jab would be nice). Personally I have no issues with everyone in groups 1 - 6 refusing the vaccine as it'll get me to the top of the queue more quickly. Given the choice I'll take the 95% Pfizer offering ahead of the AZ (could be 62% or 70% or 80%) any time.
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Post by benaj on Jan 7, 2021 18:15:07 GMT
Elderly Britons are REFUSING Pfizer's Covid vaccine 😳 Can someone point out this is not the view of majority of Elderly Britons? mol.im/a/9121869Can you warn us a bit more clearly about Daily Wail rabble-rousing guff, please? I'm sure there are a couple of elderly Geordies who've had a "Buy British!" pyrrhic stand in a GP's somewhere. And I'm very glad that the ~1k-shot slabs are being used fully... Yeah, a big warning next time. But why the police getting the leftovers instead of the healthworkers?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 7, 2021 18:16:19 GMT
Just listened to the no 10 conference today. Unlike many (not only here but everywhere !) I am not tribal and will like/dislike based upon the ideas and decisions in front of me not based on which party the person is affiliated with. For the first time in a very long time, I was really pleased with what I heard about getting the vaccine out. Both the CEO of the NHS and the Army logistics commander did give me some confidence that this really is number 1 priority and maybe just maybe the vaccination programme will go well. No Serco or other private company rubbish. You can't just chuck billions at it and expect the problem to be solved. The organisations need deep cooperation with the NHS, red tape to be removed etc and it appears that is what is happening and could never happen IMO with a private company. With regard to Party politics, I would also count myself as mostly non-tribal. I will make no bones about the fact that I consider many of the current set of people in power to have demonstrated regularly that they are barely fit for the office they hold. Nonetheless, I thought today's Boris performance to be one of his better ones. I felt his original "all people in the 4 priority groups to be jabbed by Mid Feb" could quickly unravel to be another 'over-promise and under-deliver' which has been somewhat of a theme of this govt (IMHO); perhaps he came across better because he is genuinely believing it could happen.
If you were a cynic of course, you might argue that beyond making the resources available, this aspect now requires relatively little political decision making and is largely an operational job to be done by experts (and that is not to underrate the scale of the exercise which is huge). And that makes it both more likely to happen, and give him more confidence it won't be arsed up by a Gavin Williamson, Matt Hancock or indeed himself. Sorry, couldn't resist the last sentence.
EDIT: another thought. Perhaps he also felt more confident that following events in Washington he had a Brigadier standing next to him :-)
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Post by benaj on Jan 7, 2021 18:46:03 GMT
Take extra precaution guys.
One of my friend living in an area where the covid rate per 100k < 250 has just been tested positive.
He rarely goes out, only for essential grocery shopping and walks.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 7, 2021 19:50:51 GMT
Can you warn us a bit more clearly about Daily Wail rabble-rousing guff, please? I'm sure there are a couple of elderly Geordies who've had a "Buy British!" pyrrhic stand in a GP's somewhere. And I'm very glad that the ~1k-shot slabs are being used fully... Yeah, a big warning next time. But why the police getting the leftovers instead of the healthworkers? <shrug> The healthworkers that were nearby had already been done?
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Post by adrianc on Jan 7, 2021 19:55:29 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 7, 2021 20:30:41 GMT
Not looking good for managing the second wave. The death toll for the second wave is already at the 50% mark of the first wave and the second isn’t near its peak yet and its hard not to conclude that it’ll have a much fatter and longer tail, I fear. View AttachmentLet's just all be really careful. Do all the things suggested and keep at home as much as possible. And come out healthy after vaccination!
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 7, 2021 21:02:20 GMT
Not looking good for managing the second wave. The death toll for the second wave is already at the 50% mark of the first wave and the second isn’t near its peak yet and its hard not to conclude that it’ll have a much fatter and longer tail, I fear. View AttachmentMight help, as long as the Doc isnt Boris who couldnt pronounce the names which would make proscribing difficult www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55574662
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 7, 2021 21:17:03 GMT
Numbers in each group - I have seen a list somewhere, but the best I can turn up quickly is the colour graphic here. Scroll up/down to find it. Or here. Some of the numbers aren't shown though. Like yourself, Mrs Dolt is on the cusp of two groups. We are assuming the dates are rolling and not fixed "as at today", so that she will move up TWO groups after her 65th birthday in March. Seems intuitive, but haven't seen it confirmed yet.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 7, 2021 21:17:43 GMT
Not looking good for managing the second wave. The death toll for the second wave is already at the 50% mark of the first wave and the second isn’t near its peak yet and its hard not to conclude that it’ll have a much fatter and longer tail, I fear. View AttachmentMight help, as long as the Doc isnt Boris who couldnt pronounce the names which would make proscribing difficult www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55574662Yes, that did make one think "what happened to the rehearsal". you could almost see him straining to turn to either side and mutter "JVT/Chris/Sir Patrick would you like to comment.." Still on this occasion I think it made him a bit more human rather than just bumbling. But maybe I'm going soft.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 7, 2021 22:02:13 GMT
Numbers in each group - I have seen a list somewhere, but the best I can turn up quickly is the colour graphic here. Scroll up/down to find it. Or here. Some of the numbers aren't shown though. Like yourself, Mrs Dolt is on the cusp of two groups. We are assuming the dates are rolling and not fixed "as at today", so that she will move up TWO groups after her 65th birthday in March. Seems intuitive, but haven't seen it confirmed yet. So 1-3 are about 7-8m, 4 is same again. Total of 15m, out of 65m.
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Post by benaj on Jan 8, 2021 7:52:19 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2021 8:02:44 GMT
Friends of ours had their German-resident daughter staying for a few days just before Xmas. She was still with them when the barriers went up at the channel over the new variant. When they lifted, subject to 72hr -ve test, she got a test. She was worried the results wouldn't come through in time - so as soon as they did, she left immediately for the tunnel, early on Xmas morning. Nobody checked her results, all the way home.
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Post by jlend on Jan 8, 2021 10:15:16 GMT
I would hope people didn't try and return if they haven't had a test and simply waited to they can, either in the place they are or transit via somewhere they can get one. I doubt there are many places people can't get a private test for a fee even if it meant traveling to get it. Seems a small ask to me given the current situation.
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Post by benaj on Jan 8, 2021 10:27:11 GMT
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