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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2021 8:13:20 GMT
who's complaining about long journey times ? if this is directed at my posts on the subject, that is most definitely the wrong end of the stick. No, I can see your legitimate concern for your parents' welfare. My comment wasn't directed at any poster in particular, nor even confined to this board. But already I feel a groundswell of discontent developing up & down the country over these vaccine clinic logistics, including the demands for clinics within x minutes of home, etc, and some people obviously don't appreciate just how lucky they are (or more often how lucky their parents are) to be offered this lifeline this quickly, or even at all. Mere accident of birth. (Did you view my link?). Yes, there will obviously be individual cases of difficulty in any exercise of this magnitude, but let's keep some perspective is all I'm saying. Of course, it's inevitable that we'll shortly be having to filter out the noise from those who'll take another cheap political shot when they find they don't have a mobile vaccination unit right outside their front door at the exact time of their choosing - and someone is bound to find a way to pin that on Brexit... but that's for another day! My concerns were more an observation on the earlier observation (so to speak) that the vaccination program itself has the potential for causing an initial spike. It happens that we were personally caught up in one such unexpected 'dilemma'. For the record, I really don't see anyway they could be doing this any differently. They are bound to need to do a phased rollout of centres, and the strategy of a mix of mega centres (which by the way this is most definitely not an instance of) and smaller more local centres has to be the right one. A consequence of this is that in the early days some high priority people are bound to end up with the option of travelling some distance to get a priority jab, or wait a bit longer.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 13, 2021 8:16:58 GMT
The denial of the bleeding obvious is becoming quasi-Trumpian gaslighting. . That's a fair point. But would you agree that remainers do not accept that there is any risk of remaining in the EU and possibly facing a disorderly breakup - just like every similar effort to forge a single political union out of independent states with different languages, religions, cultures and histories that has gone before? Time will tell if the EU is the first to pull off this trick but the odds are against them.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2021 8:42:21 GMT
But would you agree that remainers do not accept that there is any risk of remaining in the EU and possibly facing a disorderly breakup I can only speak for myself... but I certainly don't accept that, no. Brexit has strengthened the EU, if anything - it's simultaneously got shot of the whining troublemaker who wants everything their way, while reminding those who might have gently grumbled that the grass really isn't greener. Even Marine Le Pen has comprehensively shut up about Frexit. Like the British Empire...? <removes tongue from cheek> If you mean some kind of federalist blob, that isn't what the EU is. Not in reality, only in baseless propaganda. The reality is that the EU is only a step or three more than a regional super-[UN/-NATO/-WTO]-roll-up - and those three seem to have done fairly well, as do all those other "unelected" supranational organisations that we happily continue to devolve "sovereignty" to. But this is the wrong place...
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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2021 9:08:26 GMT
who's complaining about long journey times ? if this is directed at my posts on the subject, that is most definitely the wrong end of the stick. No, I can see your legitimate concern for your parents' welfare. My comment wasn't directed at any poster in particular, nor even confined to this board. But already I feel a groundswell of discontent developing up & down the country over these vaccine clinic logistics, including the demands for clinics within x minutes of home, etc, and some people obviously don't appreciate just how lucky they are (or more often how lucky their parents are) to be offered this lifeline this quickly, or even at all. Mere accident of birth. (Did you view my link?). Yes, there will obviously be individual cases of difficulty in any exercise of this magnitude, but let's keep some perspective is all I'm saying. Of course, it's inevitable that we'll shortly be having to filter out the noise from those who'll take another cheap political shot when they find they don't have a mobile vaccination unit right outside their front door at the exact time of their choosing - and someone is bound to find a way to pin that on Brexit... but that's for another day! Or Dominic Cummings
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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2021 9:29:37 GMT
But would you agree that remainers do not accept that there is any risk of remaining in the EU and possibly facing a disorderly breakup I can only speak for myself... but I certainly don't accept that, no. Brexit has strengthened the EU, if anything - it's simultaneously got shot of the whining troublemaker who wants everything their way, while reminding those who might have gently grumbled that the grass really isn't greener. Even Marine Le Pen has comprehensively shut up about Frexit. was the second highest net contributer to the EU budget?
I suspect they would have us back at the drop of a hat if the opportunity arose.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2021 10:05:09 GMT
Fifth... Oh, how terrible to be a relatively large, wealthy country. But let's hope you're right, and we get to find out soon enough as we undo this self-inflicted disaster, once the population realise just how stupid it was. (Still the wrong thread!)
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Post by ptr120 on Jan 13, 2021 10:12:05 GMT
I suspect they would have us back at the drop of a hat if the opportunity arose.
With the same conditions and exceptions that we previously had? I'm not so sure about that as I think we might have burnt our bridges
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Post by mrk on Jan 13, 2021 10:19:06 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jan 13, 2021 10:22:03 GMT
At least we know nothing is 100% effective. It's up to everyone's help to reduce the spread of this nasty virus.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 13, 2021 10:29:00 GMT
Seems like very shortly after he would have got the second jab, only a three days, so it seems more likely the first jab was ineffective rather than not having the second jab was the problem. Edit: As benaj said we know none of the vaccines are 100% effective, but hopefully the guy will only have a mild case.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2021 10:33:02 GMT
Seems like very shortly after he would have got the second jab, only a three days, so it seems more likely the first jab was ineffective rather than not having the second jab was the problem. Edit: As benaj said we know none of the vaccines are 100% effective, but hopefully the guy will only have a mild case. But a month after the first jab, with a recommendation from the manufacturer of three weeks... So ~10 days after the second jab should have happened.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 10:44:18 GMT
I suspect they would have us back at the drop of a hat if the opportunity arose.
With the same conditions and exceptions that we previously had? I'm not so sure about that as I think we might have burnt our bridges This is the key point. We had the best of both worlds - opt outs, rebate and non-Euro. If we are ever to rejoin it would be likely on the same basis as other "third countries" seeking to join. Anyway, Scotland will test this out before the rest of the UK. Good old Conservative and Unionist Party.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jan 13, 2021 11:15:30 GMT
But would you agree that remainers do not accept that there is any risk of remaining in the EU and possibly facing a disorderly breakup I can only speak for myself... but I certainly don't accept that, no. But this is the wrong place... So you do agree. It's always good to find something to agree about.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 13, 2021 11:20:09 GMT
Preliminary data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine may reduce transmission by 50%. So good news overall, if that works out. Though what does this mean in the context of our UK export-strength variant? If the UK variant is 1.7x as transmissible, does that mean that vaccinated infected people will be wandering around 85% as infectious as the original variant? If that logic works at all (?), it raises interesting questions as to how long restrictions will need to stay in place.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 13, 2021 11:23:48 GMT
I can only speak for myself... but I certainly don't accept that, no. But this is the wrong place... So you do agree. It's always good to find something to agree about. I'll accept the risk. But, I don't see why it's important. We've effectively broken up ourselves in a fairly disordering and damaging way to avoid the risk of something similar happening simultaneously with the other member states. To me it's like opting to have your index finger removed due to the possible risk of severe frostbite meaning you'd have to have it removed.
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