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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2021 11:27:20 GMT
Fifth... Oh, how terrible to be a relatively large, wealthy country. But let's hope you're right, and we get to find out soon enough as we undo this self-inflicted disaster, once the population realise just how stupid it was. (Still the wrong thread!) Second
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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2021 11:38:24 GMT
What is the relevance of this (or am I missing something);
- The nurse tested positive on 8th January
- He would have had the test on 6th / 7th
- His symptoms must have occured before 6th
- Incubation period is 5 to 6 days
- The nurse contracted the virus around 1st January
So are we saying that if the nurse had the second jab on 5th, it would have killed the virus that he already had and he wouldn't have tested positive on 8th?
This is another example of the media hyping things up. The cancellation of the second jab had no impact on the nurse contracting the virus.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 13, 2021 11:50:32 GMT
Seems like very shortly after he would have got the second jab, only a three days, so it seems more likely the first jab was ineffective rather than not having the second jab was the problem. Edit: As benaj said we know none of the vaccines are 100% effective, but hopefully the guy will only have a mild case. But a month after the first jab, with a recommendation from the manufacturer of three weeks... So ~10 days after the second jab should have happened. WHO says 21 to 28 days gap.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 13, 2021 12:21:59 GMT
With the same conditions and exceptions that we previously had? I'm not so sure about that as I think we might have burnt our bridges This is the key point. We had the best of both worlds - opt outs, rebate and non-Euro. If we are ever to rejoin it would be likely on the same basis as other "third countries" seeking to join. Anyway, Scotland will test this out before the rest of the UK. Good old Conservative and Unionist Party. Didn't Labour supporters, and Scots, get the vote too? And millions of each also voted to leave? Blaming one political party seems wrong when the entire electorate made a collective decision.
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Post by jonno on Jan 13, 2021 12:30:21 GMT
But a month after the first jab, with a recommendation from the manufacturer of three weeks... So ~10 days after the second jab should have happened. WHO says 21 to 28 days gap. Erm, I think it was the World Health Organisation
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 13, 2021 12:49:11 GMT
This is the key point. We had the best of both worlds - opt outs, rebate and non-Euro. If we are ever to rejoin it would be likely on the same basis as other "third countries" seeking to join. Anyway, Scotland will test this out before the rest of the UK. Good old Conservative and Unionist Party. Didn't Labour supporters, and Scots, get the vote too? And millions of each also voted to leave? Blaming one political party seems wrong when the entire electorate made a collective decision. Sure. But the referendum was exclusively promised and designed by the Conservative and Unionist Party. Any sensible EU referendum policy would have foreseen the possibility that separate countries of the United Kingdom might vote differently (as well as specify in advance the processes if there was a Leave vote). But the Conservative and Unionist party has essentially been taken over by a mixture of UKIP, populists, extremists and self-interested chancers. It is not even vaguely a Unionist Party now, it is an English Nationalist Party, and an anti-business one at that.
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Post by james100 on Jan 13, 2021 13:29:12 GMT
Seeing as the future of the EU has been brought up, I'm attending this online event on 26th Jan in case anyone else is interested: membership.theguardian.com/event/donald-tusk-in-conversation-with-jonathan-freedland-132932718339Former European Council president Donald Tusk will be joining us for a special livestreamed event about Britain’s exit from the EU. Tusk was Poland’s prime minister between 2007 and 2014. The longest-serving leader Poland has seen, he was the only European leader to keep his country out of recession during the financial crisis. Tusk’s tenure as European Council president between 2014 and 2019 coincided with multiple historical crises, from Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the Greek euro crash, to President Trump’s trade wars and Brexit - the latter of which he calls “the most painful and saddest experience” of his time in office. Despite the challenging years of Brexit negotiations, Tusk maintained hope to the end that it could still be stopped. A passionate European, Tusk is the current president of the European People's Party. Just weeks after the UK formally leaves the EU, he will be talking to Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland revealing his inside story on Brexit, reflecting on his tenure on the European Council and discussing the future of the EU.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 13, 2021 13:33:23 GMT
Didn't Labour supporters, and Scots, get the vote too? And millions of each also voted to leave? Blaming one political party seems wrong when the entire electorate made a collective decision. Sure. But the referendum was exclusively promised and designed by the Conservative and Unionist Party. Any sensible EU referendum policy would have foreseen the possibility that separate countries of the United Kingdom might vote differently (as well as specify in advance the processes if there was a Leave vote). But the Conservative and Unionist party has essentially been taken over by a mixture of UKIP, populists, extremists and self-interested chancers. It is not even vaguely a Unionist Party now, it is an English Nationalist Party, and an anti-business one at that. And yet with a massive 650 constituencies out there, they still come to power. Somebody must like them. If only Labour had done a better job in the past, eh, instead of the nonsense they've been serving up, these "populists" and "extremists" wouldn't be holding the reins.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2021 13:41:45 GMT
its a sad day when the Coronavirus/Brexit threads have got all mixed up in one.......
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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 13, 2021 14:21:16 GMT
its a sad day when the Coronavirus/Brexit threads have got all mixed up in one....... After 476 pages of relentless Coronavirus, one might hope the very occasional and short-lived meander off topic might be tolerated, but point taken.
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Post by dan1 on Jan 13, 2021 14:22:48 GMT
I'm a bit late to this particular party but isn't the point about long distances to be vaccinated the same (or at least similar) as testing for the virus? By that I mean if you don't make it easily accessible to those who don't or can't drive then take up will be reduced. I firmly believe that by last autumn no-one within a reasonable size town should have to drive for a test and likewise for vaccinations by the start of this year (planning for vaccines have been at least 6 months in the making).
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2021 14:29:47 GMT
its a sad day when the Coronavirus/Brexit threads have got all mixed up in one....... Just wait until the economic finger-pointing begins in a year or two...
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 13, 2021 15:26:06 GMT
its a sad day when the Coronavirus/Brexit threads have got all mixed up in one....... Just wait until the economic finger-pointing begins in a year or two... Die hard remainers will never stop dragging it all up again, even in unrelated topics.
On this one following my 2 jabs in the local town centre my rather younger wife has now been called to our GP surgery, 3 miles from home, on Friday for her first, without a date for the second. There was a suggestion that efficient GPs were having deliveries held up to allow slow areas to catch up, but not happening here it seems.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2021 15:54:14 GMT
Just wait until the economic finger-pointing begins in a year or two... Die hard remainers will never stop dragging it all up again, even in unrelated topics. Actually, if you go back a couple of pages, it was bernythedolt who first mentioned it, as a joke, followed by littleoldlady who raised the subject more fully...
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 13, 2021 16:05:40 GMT
Die hard remainers will never stop dragging it all up again, even in unrelated topics. Actually, if you go back a couple of pages, it was bernythedolt who first mentioned it, as a joke, followed by littleoldlady who raised the subject more fully... Any excuse to keep on about it eh........
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